Break Week Oda hates Usopp

#1
Boring backstory: Usopp, Zoro

Ugly character design: Usopp, Franky

Worst rated introductory arc: Usopp, Jimbe (FMI we got his flashback)

Weakest: Usopp

Shitty Role Model: Usopp, Zoro

On top of that list, Usopp used to be an underdog, but now Oda is too lazy to get him out of the situations he places him in, fighting Trebol and Sugar, make a scary face (win via gag), fighting Page One and Ulti, emperor bails him out, struggling against fodder (Izo a sniper comes in and saves him).

Oda hates Usopp, so he might as well kill him off and stop bullying him
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#3
Nah, but I feel Oda forgot what Usopp's dream was because dude is shaping up to be Luffy's Buggy at this rate.
Oda didn't forget, it's just that he backed himself into a corner with Usopp's dream and Usopp as a character.

Usopp's entire character is so dependent on him being cowardly that developing him would involve losing the what makes Usopp who he is. We saw this in FI and PH where Usopp became pretty bland, then suddenly reverted back to an over the top coward in DR. Now he flip flops back n' forth from being cowardly or brave without explanation.
 

Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
#6
People should stop projecting themselves on Oda.
"Oda hates X character".
No dude. Oda doesn't "hate" any SH.
He just sucks ass at developing them because he's writing a story that he never really planned to.
Usopp should be in a point of the story when he already had become a brave person, and would be chasing a different dream by now.
Instead he shows 0 progression in 1000+ chapters.
 
#7
It's a shame, but I agree with Doggo. Usopp grew up in Alabasta, then we got him coming to terms with his own persona in Thriller Bark.
He comes after 2 years in Sabaody saying he's not one of the wealkings, and yet he's immediately a joke character, and even in Dressrosa his character is still coming to terms with his cowardice. No growth, no anything.
And in Wano he is still looking for something significative to do, and I doubt that is coming.
It's sad, but just like Chopper, he peaked in Enies Lobby.
 
#11
*calls Luffy out for giving up*

*calls the samurai out for accepting death*

Hasn't grown as a character
:smart:

Anyway you buttheads are also saying Zoro has a boring backstory if you agree with this guy, so whatever
Please point out where anyone agreed on Zoro having a boring backstory.

Usop has been doing that since Enies Lobby. Number 44. We are what, 60 volumes after?
He still plays the same role, pulls the same shenanigans. In dressrosa he was about to abandon the Tontattas out of fear, which is a new low, or at least comparable with him running away from Pciu in the Arlong saga.
Also Dressrosa is the last place where he did something "he'd be the only one capable of doing". Actually, I argue that ALL that he accomplished in growth in Dressrosa, the last time he showed some inner conflict, was already accomplished in Enies lobby.
 
#12
Please point out where anyone agreed on Zoro having a boring backstory.

Usop has been doing that since Enies Lobby. Number 44. We are what, 60 volumes after?
He still plays the same role, pulls the same shenanigans. In dressrosa he was about to abandon the Tontattas out of fear, which is a new low, or at least comparable with him running away from Pciu in the Arlong saga.
Also Dressrosa is the last place where he did something "he'd be the only one capable of doing". Actually, I argue that ALL that he accomplished in growth in Dressrosa, the last time he showed some inner conflict, was already accomplished in Enies lobby.
Almost abandoned Tontattas, not only came through but also tore down his own lie.

Accidentally wins against Sugar, redeems himself by taking her out again without taking any sort of credit or fanfare

"Last thing he did was in DR." He literally had nothing to do in Zou post Jack, and the first phase of Wano was all about keeping a cover. He's... what? The only one who really did? Not really a bad thing, especially if he helped fight off two Tobi Roppo and recruit half of the Gifters during the raid.

You make it sound like he's stagnant and that has much to do with the screen time being 90% Luffy. But he's still ahead of Brook or Chopper in character development so I wouldn't really complain.
 
#13
Almost abandoned Tontattas, not only came through but also tore down his own lie.

Accidentally wins against Sugar, redeems himself by taking her out again without taking any sort of credit or fanfare

"Last thing he did was in DR." He literally had nothing to do in Zou post Jack, and the first phase of Wano was all about keeping a cover. He's... what? The only one who really did? Not really a bad thing, especially if he helped fight off two Tobi Roppo and recruit half of the Gifters during the raid.

You make it sound like he's stagnant and that has much to do with the screen time being 90% Luffy. But he's still ahead of Brook or Chopper in character development so I wouldn't really complain.
I will address your points one by one, okay?
1. for the tontattas, he does the same thing he did with Pciu. Volume 10, Arlong saga. 90+ volumes ago. Runs away, gets second thought and comes back, willing to risk his life.
2. Same thing he did in Enies Lobby with the keys, no credit or fanfare. He did it while masked as Sogeking too. Volume 44.
3. Helping fight Tobi Roppos could have been done by anyone, and better.Every one of the strawhats excelled in something during Wano, or with their fighting skills or their abilities. Usopp had none of this. And it's a shame.
4. I don't make it sound like he is stagnant. He is STAGNANT. Even Chopper used a new technique, the new rumble ball, cured the plot-convenient poison. Brook is the only one who could have cut and frozen Black Maria's web.

Everyone is outshined by Luffy, but Usopp has been the same character as pre enies lobby since the Time skip.
 
#14
I will address your points one by one, okay?
1. for the tontattas, he does the same thing he did with Pciu. Volume 10, Arlong saga. 90+ volumes ago. Runs away, gets second thought and comes back, willing to risk his life.
2. Same thing he did in Enies Lobby with the keys, no credit or fanfare. He did it while masked as Sogeking too. Volume 44.
3. Helping fight Tobi Roppos could have been done by anyone, and better.Every one of the strawhats excelled in something during Wano, or with their fighting skills or their abilities. Usopp had none of this. And it's a shame.
4. I don't make it sound like he is stagnant. He is STAGNANT. Even Chopper used a new technique, the new rumble ball, cured the plot-convenient poison. Brook is the only one who could have cut and frozen Black Maria's web.

Everyone is outshined by Luffy, but Usopp has been the same character as pre enies lobby since the Time skip.
1. You're talking about Chu? Chu was an enemy he could beat so he had to find the courage to fight. Trebol was an enemy he couldn't beat, so he had to take action despite that. And unlike when he returned from Arlong Park, again, he did it without talking himself up.

2. Enies Lobby... everyone but Luffy and Chopper could see through his disguise, but he didn't find the courage to be himself until the end and even then, never dispelled the actual lie of Soge King. He tried to come back into the crew without sacrificing pride and it took coaching from Zoro to get past that. This... doesn't happen post timeskip. He understands his role in the crew and doesn't put his pride before it. Again, why he takes out Sugar in a way that actually impresses people but doesn't blow smoke up his own ass.

3. Usopp got past Ulti and Page One with good health, and they were both well beyond his scope of combat ability. Heraclesun had nothing particularly strong to teach him but literally as of this chapter he's still managing to fight off the Beast pirates.

4. Usopp has new techniques virtually every time he participates. But because he didn't have a strong teacher, he hasn't made the sort of advance that Coby has for example. He doesn't have a DF and Yasopp hasn't mailed him any roids. Sanji barely had formidable armament before recently and Robin doesn't seem to despite training from fucking Sabo, but you thought Usopp would being doing what exactly by now?
 
#15
1. You're talking about Chu? Chu was an enemy he could beat so he had to find the courage to fight. Trebol was an enemy he couldn't beat, so he had to take action despite that. And unlike when he returned from Arlong Park, again, he did it without talking himself up.

2. Enies Lobby... everyone but Luffy and Chopper could see through his disguise, but he didn't find the courage to be himself until the end and even then, never dispelled the actual lie of Soge King. He tried to come back into the crew without sacrificing pride and it took coaching from Zoro to get past that. This... doesn't happen post timeskip. He understands his role in the crew and doesn't put his pride before it. Again, why he takes out Sugar in a way that actually impresses people but doesn't blow smoke up his own ass.

3. Usopp got past Ulti and Page One with good health, and they were both well beyond his scope of combat ability. Heraclesun had nothing particularly strong to teach him but literally as of this chapter he's still managing to fight off the Beast pirates.

4. Usopp has new techniques virtually every time he participates. But because he didn't have a strong teacher, he hasn't made the sort of advance that Coby has for example. He doesn't have a DF and Yasopp hasn't mailed him any roids. Sanji barely had formidable armament before recently and Robin doesn't seem to despite training from fucking Sabo, but you thought Usopp would being doing what exactly by now?
1. Sorry, anotehr translation, Chu. I don't see particular differences, at the time Chu was leagues ahead of Usopp, and he won using his cunning and treachery, stuff that we don't see much anymore him doing, where he defeated Sugar by mistake. I hate gag characters, and he's becoming that more and more in my opinion.

2. I was talking about doing SOMETHING, and yeah, the last significative, unique and usop specific thing Usop has done is Dressrosa. I agree that he grew up in Enies Lobby, but to me he is still stuck in a limbo where he doesn't add anything, only gags. Even the sniper shot on sugar is reduced to a gag, which is extremely disappointing. I don't think it was only pride. Usopp saw the merry being abandoned as "Luffy abandons the ones he doesn't need", but he realised that it was not true, and that he would be always be useful, because he's the only one who can do those thinks. And of course, the pride thing.

3.That's exactly my point. Usop is written as a useless wimp, that cannot hold an 1 on 1 fight, but he is continuously put in situation where he is forced to do the same gag where he has to run away. Ulti and Page One he doesn't really fight, he mostly runs away and tries to stop them. I wish we saw more of the Usopp that was hinted after the timeskip, the muscular one, but he was immediately reduced to a gag character. (Like chopper)

4. Robin has the poigne gliffe reading ability, that already puts her ahead in value as a character leaues beyond usopp. Just think about her flashback. Also she fights, she saves Sanji, she does stuff. Usopp in Wano is a gag character. As mostly always.

And I considered Usopp my favourite strawhats. I wanted to see where he grew after the timeskip. And yet, he went nowhere.
 
#16
Usopp was and always will be a gag character. To not understand that, I don't know if that's really liking him or setting yourself up for disappointment based on misreading.

There are plenty of people who seriously think he's a Haohshoku candidate, or that he could have actually gone man to man with Page One. Holy shit, lol.
 
#17
Usopp was and always will be a gag character. To not understand that, I don't know if that's really liking him or setting yourself up for disappointment based on misreading.

There are plenty of people who seriously think he's a Haohshoku candidate, or that he could have actually gone man to man with Page One. Holy shit, lol.
I know he is a gag character. Just as Zoro is always lost, and Sanji is weak to women. But while zoro and Sanji have other things, Usop only has his gags. I expected more from reading his growth post enies lobby and the 2Y.

I don't think Usop needs Haki, or that he needs to be able to fight. But he needs to do something, and needs to do it seriously. He needs to help luffy become the Pirate's King. Maybe I am just a dreamer, but you know.. A man's dream will never end.
 
#19
Oda did say Usopp will always be weakest in the crew and possibly human character .

Only thing i see his development and relevance will be during blackbeard's arc . He is definitely buggy of the crew no doubt in it but i think he will have more role in elbaf .
There is nothing wrong with Usop being weak, that is the whole point I am trying to make.
My problem is that he is useless. Useless to the plot and just with the same arc in every saga, if he even has an arc. In Wano Usop is AFK, barely coasting through hoping he survives.
He wanted to become brave, the bravest warrior on the world, but he has done barely anything in that regard since.. Dressrosa, in Wano he's just there. I know it will probably be the FINAL TWIST that he will risk his life one last time, but he already did that. He fought his fears, and he conquered the need to not be sogeking. BUT NO, just kidding. He's a wimp again.
 
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