Powers & Abilities Oda is Going to make Lightening Further Complicated and Important at the same time.

What do you think is the Counter to Gorosei / HK Hax

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Kōri no kokyū

Kōri no kokyū

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People speculated it to be Advanced Conqueror , Advanced Armanent or even Some new form of haki. Some even Speculated it to be Power of love.

but hear me out.

All this abyss and travelling across the world where " Mark " is installed already. and Imu Ability.

it's a Fuckin Devil fruit. I'm Ready to bet on it. It's not some extra Power type which will be introduced. but An overwhelmingly Powerful Devil fruit.

Take Naruto as an Example.
Kaguya who was the final bad of the series. what did she had that other's didn't?

An overwhelming amount of Chakra. which far surpassed even Rikudo Senin.
With her chakra she was able to use any Jutsu , Ninjutsu , Kekkei Genkei , hell even Kekkei Mora.

She was the derivative of all the Chakra circulating in the world.

Imu could be the Adam Tree reincarnation Itself. or the Strongest fruit of the Series.
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Now how many Interaction did we have where Holyknights or Gorosei Used regeneration.
Gorosei

Above are all the sequence of Gorosei getting Attacked With or Without Haki Attacks.

Now Instances of Gorosei being Affected by Haki.
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Now for Holyknights ,
Holyknights getting attacked and regenrating
  • That's all we have for now.
Now Holyknight's Unable to regenrate or Blocking the attack.
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Now notice how Only attack with " Lightening " Worked.
we Have seen Character's without Conqueror to have Lightening.
  • Katakuri
  • Ulti
  • WsW
  • Jimbei
Now my point being.
  • Basic Haki helps with Not negating but Touching or Damaging Paramacia/Logia Bodies.
  • Basic Haki does not Provide a Damage Buff.
  • Hardening and Advanced Form is what provides Extra Damage Buffs.
  • Conqueror at base Cannot Materialise Logia or Paramacia type.
  • but in Concentrated it can.
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  • Shanks Disabling Aramaki from Logia form to Human Base form. (Lightening was there)
  • Joyboy Haki Thread Disabling and Undoing the entire Gorosei Transformmation and Summoning.
  • Zoro haki Being Blocked by Nasujuro when None of the Gorosei or Holyknight's actually bother Dodging or Blocking an attack.
  • Law Canceling DoC Q Fruit , with "Intense" haki. Even Basic Haki with High Concentration can Counter it.
Haki is Perfect Counter to Devil fruit.

- We thought Perona , Sugar , Boa , Bigmom Devil fruit are Invincible.
- but Do you see Roger/Shanks falling pray to that.

  • With Law Statement we can Confirm two things.
    • In Order for your Haki to work on DF hax. Your Haki needs to be Stronger than Opponent Hax.
    • Kaidou and Bigmom > Law in haki department. and hence his fruit didn't work on them.
    • Similarly , DoC Q used his fruit on Law and the crew , But Law Basic Haki yet Concentrated (Intense). Countered DoC Q Hax.
    • I was thinking for a while , Why Couldn't Aokiji just shape shift and dodge Garp attack while hitting him at the same time. Katakuri has done that before. Aokiji should be more likely do that but he couldn't! why? Because of Garp Lightening Haki all around.
Though same people have speculated it to be PoL or some entirely new form of haki, but ,

In total we got 9 Holyknight's and 5 Gorosei. which is like 14 and 15 if we include Imu as well.
- Advanced Conqueror won't cut it out because only confirmed one's are (Alive)
  • Luffy
  • Zoro
  • Garp
  • Shanks
  • Yamato
- Speculated one's are
  • Mihawk
  • Blackbeard
  • Gorosei
  • Rayleigh
  • Gaban
(These are the one's without confirmation.)

Now Power of love users.
  • Garp
  • Sanji
  • Gaban (idk Maybe)
It's even more scarce.
whoever are fighting Gorosei or Holyknights , All of them can't possibly have Advanced Conqueror or Power of love.

which remains us with something , which is common yet extremely difficult.
- Armament Haki
  • Basic Haki (Universal to everyone but needs to learn and train)
  • Hardening (Luffy and Zoro Showcassed it Multiples Times)
  • Ryou (Luffy and Zoro)
  • ID and Barrier (Luffy)
Like Logia fruit felt Invincible in Pre time skip , it's Gorosei and Holyknight's regeneration in Post time skip.
  • Like Rayleigh was the first to counter Logia with Haki against Kizaru
  • Gaban was the first to counter Regeneration with Haki against Sommers
It's the matter of concentration in the end.
All the Haki (AdCoA or AdCoC) with Lightening will work Against Gorosei and Holy Knights.

Basically Concentration or Intensity of Haki matter.

- In order to Beat Gorosei , Your Haki should be strong enough as them , or Concentration might not Cancel out DF Hax.
- In order to Holyknight's , Your Haki should be Strong enough as them , or "

  • Joyboy clearly having better haki than Gorosei , Countered them.
  • Shanks Clearly having better Haki than Aramaki , Countered him.
  • Law clearly having better haki than DoC Q , countered him.

Now before you all come at my ass saying there is no Concentration / Intensity of haki.
look at this panel.

Character already confirmed with Lightening Effect Armanent are.
  • Luffy
  • Zoro
  • Sanji
  • Gaban
  • Rayleigh
  • Shanks
  • Katakuri
  • Jimbei
  • WsW (Not possible)
  • Ulti (Not Possible)
  • Yamato
  • Coby
  • Garp (Not Possible)
Not possible means no relevancy in final arc.
now, Add in All the revolutionary Commanders.

we have enough Characters in that scenario.
and If SH ends up learninig Haki
  • Robin
  • Brook
  • Franky
Now there might be Fruit Awakening's/Powers which might be able to Counter Hax.
  • Law Awakening. his entire kit is build around Surpassing such logics.
  • Blackbeard Fruit.
  • that's all for now.
Because I see this Hax as a DF power which Imu Most Likely Posses.
 
Welkin

Welkin

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I agree that if the counter has anything to do with haki (it might not) it pretty much has to be armament or the story literally won’t function

Like you said there just aren’t enough people with CoC to cover every single matchup
 
GalaxyLevelShanks

GalaxyLevelShanks

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Sanji kicking Kizaru's laser was probably foreshadowing for it being PoL. And honestly that's far better than it just being "brrr more haki = bypass regen". I won't be surprised if oda continues being an idiot and making it something related to haki but I'm hoping it's PoL related
 
Rivaille

Rivaille

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The more i think of it the more it seems clear to me that Oda will make CoC (and his advance usage) to be more powerful and useful than CoA. CoA will become the training tool for CoC the same way Rokushiki (Tekkai at least) is a training too for CoA. And the same way CoA made tekkai obsolete, CoC will make CoA obsolete.

If one accept that CoC is just CoA but stronger the lightning streaks made perfect sense.

At the end of the story CoC will be the go-to to be a efficient and relevant fighter, I fear.
 
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Salah WG

Salah WG

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Can you kill a DF? No
Can a DF Transfer from One Place to another Instantly without Interacting with anything in between? Yes

It's just that those Devils inhabit Fruits needing others to Consume them,
But what if there are Devils who can directly fuse with People instead of Fruits,
That's what Gorosei & Holy Knights are imo,

I'm not talking about their Powers such as Arrow No Mi or Thorn No Mi, but i'm saying that They are Corrupted Humans same as DFs are Corrupted Fruits, that's why They are so Evil & why They are Unkillable, and it also explains how They Recruit Holy Knights who aren't from Mary Geoise, They don't expect them to be Loyal, They are simply Possessed & turned into One of them (After all, They are designed like a Devil Worshipping Cult),

Their Invincibility & Ability to Exist in another Plane of Existence both indicate that Devils actually Originate from Darkness, as Yami Yami No Mi clearly demonstrated that Darkness is Unbeatable + Creates another Dimension, not to mention that it indeed Attracts DFs & Separates them from their Users, and We've clearly seen Dark Forms of Gorosei & Holy Knights, it's like They are Darkness Logia,

They are literally same as Thriller Bark Zombies, but opposite Scenario, instead of Villain having a Collection of Bodies & He inserts Shadows in them, this time the Villain have a Collection of Evil Spirits from Dark Dimension & They must find Hosts for them, so the Goal here isn't to Free Shadows, it's to Free Bodies (Gunko for example seem like She is gonna be turned Good once She stops being Possessed)

So in Zombies Case, their Weakness was to be fed Salt (Not just sprayed, but their Bodies must consume Salt which is part of Sea Water that Counters DFs), this means that Weakness of Holy Knights/Gorosei is gonna be Spiritual Version of Salt (Something that Counters Devil Powers), which is obviously Haki, but it needs to be Fed to them, not just cover them in it

So the Solution is neither CoA nor CoC, it's simply Second Advanced Technique of CoO which is Telepathy,
The Same Technique that Zunisha used on Momo, or Yasopp on Usopp + Kata on Brulee in Film Red, it's the Ability to include others in your Haki, granting Telepathy as both access each other's Senses & whatever their CoO is receiving (Similar to Marys from Beasts Pirates),

Once you Use this Ability, anyone can then Hurt them, (Think of it as when Mihawk scared Luffy),
However, just like Barrier CoA, only those who learned Future Sight can also learn Telepathy,
So far We have Luffy, Zunisha, Shanks, Mihawk, Yasopp, Katakuri, Gaban, Kaidou & obviously so many gonna join the List,

Shanks for example can also use it to Disrupt other's CoO, that's why He had Observation Killing
 
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