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Herrera95

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Tigapedang said:
Mihawk and shanks are already important char from the beginning, and i read somewhere that arabasta was supposed to be the last arc for OP,

https://www.looper.com/704447/the-surprising-year-one-piece-was-supposed-to-originally-end/

So yeah, croc, shanks and mihawk are always be an important part of the future arc
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Dude you or that article lack of interpretation for it.

It is true that Oda initially wanted One Piece to last only 5 years. He had this belief that a good manga should tell the story inside 5 years. Around 200 chapters.

But he also said that he "dragged" One Piece because of his idea of Shichibukais and also because he always kept adding ideias he has inside the story. That's why now we have 1000 chapters and he is "planning" to "rush" to the end without more adds.

Thing is Oda is also terrible at his predictions. He wanted a 5 year manga about a pirate beating Yonkos. We had 100 chapters only with East Blue Saga he would never finish beating 4 Yonkos inside those next 1000 chapters.
 
lee33

lee33

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I don't think there is anything wrong on relying on old characters, however, Oda does it for all the wrong reasons. He uses them solely for hype. They have no role in the story. Shanks has no role, Croc what is the point, Mihawk only purpose is to be Zoro's opponent which doesn't make sense anymore.
 
Senfret

Senfret

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I love One piece, but it seems I'm the only one still enjoying it. I like every character from the start to this point, I love Oda's designs. The story is starting to reach it's final stages and it might feel like it's being rushed, but it's getting really interesting. Why so many complaints?... I think It all started when ZKK didn't happen... 🤔
 
gz89

gz89

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lee33 said:
I don't think there is anything wrong on relying on old characters, however, Oda does it for all the wrong reasons. He uses them solely for hype. They have no role in the story. Shanks has no role, Croc what is the point, Mihawk only purpose is to be Zoro's opponent which doesn't make sense anymore.
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Is there anything that you like about this manga?
 
RYNO

RYNO

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Herrera95 said:
Just another proof how bad writting current One Piece is. He has to rely on characteres he did when he was a good writter because the news he is doing as a bad writter sucks!
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Bull shit you people just make up more stupid reasoning to hate one piece, there would be a problem if every character after wano would be only new characters, one piece has largest roster of characters of all fiction but using the large roster he has is now proof that his desperate for one piece good again.
 
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Herrera95

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RYNO said:
Bull shit you people just make up more stupid reasoning to hate one piece, there would be a problem if every character after wano would be only new characters, one piece has largest roster of characters of all fiction but using the large roster he has is now proof that his desperate for one piece good again.
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Seems that you didn't understood what I'm talking about.

Oda is specifically choosing to use old characters back into history because the new ones he is creating all sucks while the old ones were well developed and he doesn't need to care about this since people will automatically like them.
 
Boing

Boing

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Herrera95 said:
Seems that you didn't understood what I'm talking about.

Oda is specifically choosing to use old characters back into history because the new ones he is creating all sucks while the old ones were well developed and he doesn't need to care about this since people will automatically like them.
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That's just the opinion of dumb fucks and a few folks that are just off in perception.
As I said in another thread of mine:
"I had an epiphany today that the separation between the pre an post-timskip characters the fandom has is artificial
It isn't actually foolish for Cabbage to be or for me to want him active in the endgame mix all the pieces matter :steef:
Hajrudin will "rebuild the great giant pirates that once shook the foundations of the world" and his giant pal will fight with his homie shield :steef:"
 
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Herrera95

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Boing said:
That's just the opinion of dumb fucks and a few folks that are just off in perception.
As I said in another thread of mine:
"I had an epiphany today that the separation between the pre an post-timskip characters the fandom has is artificial
It isn't actually foolish for Cabbage to be or for me to want him active in the endgame mix all the pieces matter :steef:
Hajrudin will "rebuild the great giant pirates that once shook the foundations of the world" and his giant pal will fight with his homie shield :steef:"
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Didn't understood what you meant.

But the separation of pre and post timeskip characters are not artificial. It is clear by the hype pre timeskip characters get once they are reintroduced in current timeline.
 
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Just a member

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As I see it when Oda started he had the original idea for his manga in his head, start to finish most likely. Then One piece sold like hit cakes so the story that originally should have been iver with a few hundreds of chapters at most become this 1000+ chapters behemoth. So about the characters there were some that were and are pillars of the story in one way or another, even if they are not straw hats, like Mihawk, he is Zoro drive for the whole story, Shanks as Luffy inspiration and also is central in big events like Marineford and so on... Then there are Kaido, BM etc. they are important in OP world but for the story they are at most a little bit more than your usual villain. The fact is that they get very big arcs or even sagas so they have been hyoed for years just to disappear like snow after the arc ended. Greenbull was treated so dirty his main role is to be an hypetool for Shanks. Kaido like you said wasn't even given a proper backstory in his own, and very long, arc.
 
Kerkovian

Kerkovian

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Herrera95 said:
So it is clear now that Oda messed up badly with new characters "introduced" after timeskip.

I'm mainly focusing on Kaido and Big Mom.

No one likes them. Big Mom still had a good backstory but Oda destroyed her character. Kaido didn't even had a proper backstory and his character never had a proper build up. He is simply violence... No depth...

And we can stretch to Greenbull the most recent introduced character and was already destroyed without even having a build up.

So now it is clear that Oda is relying on his past characters that worked out.

I'm talking about Shanks, Mihawk, CROCODILE etc. They are the ones that worked out. Crocodile a great villain. Shanks and Mihawk even without proper build up and backstory they are very likable by community.

Oda at least understood that his new creations failed badly and now is relying on his old self creations that worked out.
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Lol, you don't decide it.
 
vikas

vikas

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As Oda himself said....he likes drawing silhouettes and designing weird characters....The problem is no one is caring about it as much because that was not what people wanted when they started one piece(take for example until Sky Island arc), the story, adventure to uncover the lores, and mysteries of one piece were what made it addictive initially. But it's been reliant on making hype(even fake ones) to keep it interesting. It's a long series and they tried to milk it with new characters and stuff... but they failed...so he is falling back to finally giving the old characters more importance(I doubt he had CG in mind, especially with Crocodile initially). Old characters will get significantly stronger now, of course, the problem is he did not do anything for them like many other characters, so it feels like he is just following the popular opinions.
I am pretty sure he had much better and more compact plans initially but as he kept going on those have changed and diluted a lot, because of trying to add and make new characters/designs relevant in story making the actual core ideas less interesting and just come as news even in the manga.
 
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