Powers & Abilities Oda just retconed Hawkins's straw man.

[draganax]

first time hawkins used straw man against luffy and zoro, when zoro cut it down, the damaged transferred to hawkins then to one of his extra lives.

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but now when killer decapitated straw man's head the damage didn't transfer anywhere, even though hawkins doesn't have an extra life.
more than that, hawkins said that the straw man's fate is dictated by the cards, which is kinda true the straw man responded to the hierophant reversed card which stands for pursuit and chased after luffy and zoro.
but that still doesn't explain why the damage didn't transfer to hawkins.

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so what the hell is going on here?

maybe hawkins lied about kid's doll being his last life, he did say in chapter 1022 that he still has few lives left, not just one

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if kid's doll was like what hawkins said the last life, then he should get decapitated after the straw man.

what do you think?

 

[style]

that strawman was the result of a different card (the hierophant if I'm not wrong), while this is the result of another card (Death) so maybe they work differently

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

that strawman was the result of a different card (the hierophant if I'm not wrong), while this is the result of another card (Death) so maybe they work differently

That’s the best in universe answer we’ll get. I’m sure Oda just forgot, but this works well enough.

 

[draganax]

that strawman was the result of a different card, this is the result of another card so maybe they work differently

there's no straw nan card among tarot cards. death card does exist, same as hierophant card.
the straw man follow the card's instructions, he is not created from them, he's created from the straw sword.

 

[Jack D. Jobber]

It's just a sorta bad fight don't think too hard about it.

 

[draganax]

It's just a sorta bad fight don't think too hard about it.

this sounds like a good advice.
the least i'm invested in the story the more entertainment i'll get out of it.

 

[Finalbeta]

Maybe Oda made it work differently here. I think it smells like PIS though.

 

[draganax]

That’s the best in universe answer we’ll get. I’m sure Oda just forgot, but this works well enough.

i digress
if you looked for the straw man tarot card you won't find any.
the hierophant card and the death card exist.
the straw man is created from the straw sword, he is controlled by the cards.
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the straw man is not created by the cards

the hierophant reversed: pursuit

death upright: annihilation

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

a decent explanation could be that it's the result of the card either being "upright" or "reversed" , with 1 transfering damage and not the other , still if you think about it Hawkins powers have SO MANY different elements like :
- Card extraction ---> can be used for battle or fortune telling
- Straw sword ---> can be used for attacks or to work in unison with Straw man
- Straw dolls ---> damage transfer thing , the process to get link a straw doll to a person is still unknown too
- Straw man ---> a WHOLE DECK OF DIFFERENT MOVES ( reminder that he can also transform himself in the straw man like in sabaody)
Hawkins might just have THE most complex battle powers in the verse so i think it's not fair to say "Oda just forgot" because we dont know much about the mechanics in the first place

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

It's pretty simple. When Hawkins is linked to someone, even attacking his Strawman will transfer the damage to the person he is linked to.

When he's not linked to anyone, then attacking the Strawman does nothing.

No need to over complicate it.

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

It's pretty simple. When Hawkins is linked to someone, even attacking his Strawman will transfer the damage to the person he is linked to.

When he's not linked to anyone, then attacking the Strawman does nothing.

No need to over complicate it.

that's factually not how it works , when Zoro killed the straw man the damage FIRST transferred to Hawkins AND THEN it transferred to Fodder , so using this information this chapter seemed inconsistent unless there is Info about Hawkins powers that we are not aware of WICH IS BASICALLY GUARANTEED

 

[HA001]

Hawkins is shit a yugioh me or @Zenos7 would destroy him

 

[Raughtale]

As far as headcanon theories go I like the reverse card/luck angle being what determines it but the idea of a handicap/downside of Hawkins having extra lives being that the Strawman transfers damage to him also works.

 

[draganax]

a decent explanation could be that it's the result of the card either being "upright" or "reversed" , with 1 transfering damage and not the other , still if you think about it Hawkins powers have SO MANY different elements like :
- Card extraction ---> can be used for battle or fortune telling
- Straw sword ---> can be used for attacks or to work in unison with Straw man
- Straw dolls ---> damage transfer thing , the process to get link a straw doll to a person is still unknown too
- Straw man ---> a WHOLE DECK OF DIFFERENT MOVES ( reminder that he can also transform himself in the straw man like in sabaody)
Hawkins might just have THE most complex battle powers in the verse so i think it's not fair to say "Oda just forgot" because we dont know much about the mechanics in the first place

we have past example as a reference, it's the same straw man technique, the one that zoro killed was motivated by the card of pursuit, and the one that killer killed was motivated by the card of annihilation.

if: zoro cut the straw man => damage transfers to hawkins => transfers to a person who's connected to a doll

then: killer cut straw man => damage transfers to hawkins / instead of / killer cut straw man => damage goes nowhere.
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As far as headcanon theories go I like the reverse card/luck angle being what determines it but the idea of a handicap/downside of Hawkins having extra lives being that the Strawman transfers damage to him also works.

hawkins called hierophant reversed a good card, so it's not bad luck.

 

[nik87]

so what the hell is going on here?

Rather simple, an anomaly because Oda still needs Hawkins. That's all there is.

 

[Raughtale]

we have past example as a reference, it's the same straw man technique, the one that zoro killed was motivated by the card of pursuit, and the one that killer killed was motivated by the card of annihilation.

if: zoro cut the straw man => damage transfers to hawkins => transfers to a person who's connected to a doll

then: killer cut straw man => damage transfers to hawkins / instead of / killer cut straw man => damage goes nowhere.
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hawkins called hierophant reversed a good card, so it's not bad luck.

Just because it has a downside doesn't mean it isn't good luck since out of all cards the one he pulled was suited for chasing after them, the idea would be that an active reversed card transfers damage to Hawkins and an upright doesn't, in the chase scene even a reversed card wouldn't matter since he had plenty of extra lives so pulling a ''pursuit'' would be fortuitous.

 

[NAMELESS]

Can't retcon something that wasn't fully explained!

 

[draganax]

Rather simple, an anomaly because Oda still needs Hawkins. That's all there is.

it's an inconsistency tho, kind off like saying that if you damaged robin's cloned body parts then the damage gets transferred to her real body parts, but when the oniwabanshu caught her clone and attacked it with shurikens the damage didn't transfer to her real body.

 

[nik87]

it's an inconsistency tho

Of course, Oda always does those for the sake of plot.
Sucks but it is what it is...

 

[Kishido]

Taking about his cards. What about his Limit braking card? Will he use it in Wano.or in the future