Powers & Abilities Oda's Kaidou hype is fake

[RyumaZoro]

No but judging by ur reply u may be....
Yes which was my point, u only need basic haki to bypass there intangibility. Kaido however require AcoA to bypass his Scales. Hence dragon scales> logia intangibility >> normal human skin.

Proof Any Admiral or logia character in general, has the durability to not be pierced by swords imbued with basic haki. Or what’s ur point? They’d be stab worse then Kaido...
here’s the mental part of ur post. Ur comparing a blunt attack, to multiple piercing attacks lol. Then gauging damage by the amount of blood shown


That already happened chapters ago. Don’t tell me u already forgot Kaido Destroying YFM lvl luffy casually. When the admirals couldn’t overpower YC without distractions

ofc you are mental aakinu was cut also but nothing happend aokiji was stubed ny wb and tehy did not faze not by kiku that they are not even close to their lvl and kaido won against luffy and you say it so greatly luffy got koede by ceaser also lets put kaido on the same tier then thats how happens every time for luffy thats not powerscaling he doesnt have a single win on panel all admirals have feat against an actuall yonko and they where actually durable flexible and lethal you just ignoring all the manga to push kaido that was introduced with a rumor and the facts about him was his L's.

dragon scales> logia intangibility >> normal human skin : manga disagrees with this with the 2 brothers on dressorosa normal skin didnt feel shit against a haki coated axe but thats not the point this one doest stand as you say it they are a lot of factors on this haki lvl haki mastery coo in a fight this one doesnt apply

 

[Fn Lucci]

Jeez. Here we go.

1. Kaido's reputation was never "invincible." He's been defeated seven times and obviously has not permanently defeated any of his peers. He's not immune to harm anymore or defeat, that was never claimed.

2. Building on that, the one who needed to find a way to break his scales was Luffy, a blunt force fighter. We've seen evidence that a Haki beast can resist what would ordinarily cause damage, and we've seen that Kaido's dragon form makes him tougher. But that does not mean the claims to his toughness fall apart if he's damaged.



3. "In a one on one fight, always bet on Kaido." This was brought up in narration, which gives it more weight than what a character would say on their own. Narration is all knowing. While he is not immune to damage or defeat, he is a safe bet against any single opponent. OBVIOUSLY, this current arc will see his defeat, but at the moment he's being confronted by like two dozen legit fighters. Therefore this does not conflict with his reputation. Don't post the admirals doing group shit as a rebuttal because that doesn't make sense.

4. And building on THAT, he's the MF Kaido. Ace had the stamina to fight for five days, Jack has the stamina to fight for five days, Luffy can eat a 12 hour ass kicking. Being able to damage him means nothing more than getting past a low diff. Can you hurt him until he stops fighting back? If you think any single character had answered that question yet, you're objectively wrong.

 

[HA001]

Jeez. Here we go.

1. Kaido's reputation was never "invincible." He's been defeated seven times and obviously has not permanently defeated any of his peers. He's not immune to harm anymore or defeat, that was never claimed.

2. Building on that, the one who needed to find a way to break his scales was Luffy, a blunt force fighter. We've seen evidence that a Haki beast can resist what would ordinarily cause damage, and we've seen that Kaido's dragon form makes him tougher. But that does not mean the claims to his toughness fall apart if he's damaged.



3. "In a one on one fight, always bet on Kaido." This was brought up in narration, which gives it more weight than what a character would say on their own. Narration is all knowing. While he is not immune to damage or defeat, he is a safe bet against any single opponent. OBVIOUSLY, this current arc will see his defeat, but at the moment he's being confronted by like two dozen legit fighters. Therefore this does not conflict with his reputation. Don't post the admirals doing group shit as a rebuttal because that doesn't make sense.

4. And building on THAT, he's the MF Kaido. Ace had the stamina to fight for five days, Jack has the stamina to fight for five days, Luffy can eat a 12 hour ass kicking. Being able to damage him means nothing more than getting past a low diff. Can you hurt him until he stops fighting back? If you think any single character had answered that question yet, you're objectively wrong.

One kozuki oden was going to kill him in 2 attacks.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

ofc you are mental aakinu was cut also but nothing happend aokiji was stubed ny wb and tehy did not faze not by kiku that they are not even close to their lvl

stop calling somebody mental while making dumb arguments. None of those are examples of what’s being spoken on. The admirals are using methods to counter haki, Kaido not doing that. Hell Kuzan literally phases around WB attack.... Making ur argument seem mental lol.

if the admirals aren’t using there own haki or dodging. what implies Kiku an AcoC user can’t Pierce them ??? When all u needs Baisc CoA to hurt them...

and kaido won against luffy and you say it so greatly luffy got koede by ceaser also lets put kaido on the same tier then thats how happens every time for luffy thats not powerscaling he doesnt have a single win on panel

Excuses Kaido clapped YFM> No admiral at any point overwhelmed a YC without distractions.....

all admirals have feat against an actuall yonko and they where actually durable flexible and lethal you just ignoring all the manga to push kaido that was introduced with a rumor and the facts about him was his L's.

Where did I ignore any of this mook?? It was literally never bought up, as it has nothing to do with the discussion. Unless ur speaking on that mental comparison u made between blunt an piercing damage

dragon scales> logia intangibility >> normal human skin : manga disagrees with this with the 2 brothers on dressorosa normal skin didnt feel shit against a haki coated axe but thats not the point this one doest stand as you say it they are a lot of factors on this haki lvl haki mastery coo in a fight this one doesnt apply

How tf does 1 human having durability of that lvl change literally anything?? Ur argument really getting Mental at this point.

Anyway as factually proven
Dragon scales- requires AcoA to pierce/harm
Logia intangibility- requires basic haki to pierce/harm
Human skn- needs no haki to Pierce/harm

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One kozuki oden was going to kill him in 2 attacks.

Wasn’t that years ago? Hes dead now.....What’s that have to do with the current era??

 

[Fn Lucci]

One kozuki oden was going to kill him in 2 attacks.

There's no proof that Oden's next attack would end him. We saw them clash in a different part of the flashback so as to show that he wasn't defenseless. And if you want to play that, Oden is a glass cannon who fell from one attack instead of requiring a second.

Bring up Oden and act like he didn't say "if I lose *NO ONE * else in this time will defeat Kaido." ROFL.

 

[HA001]

There's no proof that Oden's next attack would end him. We saw them clash in a different part of the flashback so as to show that he wasn't defenseless. And if you want to play that, Oden is a glass cannon who fell from one attack instead of requiring a second.

Bring up Oden and act like he didn't say "if I lose *NO ONE * else at the time will defeat Kaido." ROFL.

Yeah cause we are all that retarded like you that we dont know how its gonna end with oden above a defenceless kaidos neck if there was no help by the hag. Lmfao

 

[Fn Lucci]

Yeah cause we are all that retarded like you that we dont know how its gonna end with oden above a defenceless kaidos neck if there was no help by the hag. Lmfao

Your argument is weak because it depends on one match up twenty years ago with a guy he ultimately killed. Less than twenty years ago Luffy got low diffed by Higuma and Shanks lost his arm to a beast not worth naming.

 

[HA001]

Your argument is weak because it depends on one match up twenty years ago with a guy he ultimately killed. Less than twenty years ago Luffy got low diffed by Higuma and Shanks lost his arm to a beast not worth naming.

Its not weak at all
Kaido hasnt gotten stronger.
If you say he has how did 20 years ago kinemon cut him

You think kin is comparable to oden ?

 

[Fn Lucci]

Its not weak at all
Kaido hasnt gotten stronger.
If you say he has how did 20 years ago kinemon cut him

You think kin is comparable to oden ?

He's explicitly stated to be using "Oden's Ryuuou" in tangent with eight others. It's not the same as Kinemon fighting him solo, which is the basis of Kaido's reputation, being the toughest one on one. The best I can give you is to wait for an explanation on Ryuuou. Obviously the Nine Scabbards as they were wouldn't have been enough to win anyway, or else we wouldn't get the expanded roster or the Sulong buffs.

I don't know how you think he didn't get stronger if his rival was a guy who was insulted for weakness by a guy scared to even fight Kaido.

 

[HA001]

He's explicitly stated to be using "Oden's Ryuuou" in tangent with eight others. It's not the same as Kinemon fighting him solo, which is the basis of Kaido's reputation, being the toughest one on one. The best I can give you is to wait for an explanation on Ryuuou. Obviously the Nine Scabbards as they were wouldn't have been enough to win anyway, or else we wouldn't get the expanded roster or the Sulong buffs.

I don't know how you think he didn't get stronger if his rival was a guy who was insulted for weakness by a guy scared to even fight Kaido.

Lmfao hes not actually using kozuki odens haki
Hes using the same technique oden used to cut him.
This is the same kinemon from 20 years ago who is far far weaker than oden.
Nothing points to kaido getting stronger

 

[Fn Lucci]

Lmfao hes not actually using kozuki odens haki
Hes using the same technique oden used to cut him.
This is the same kinemon from 20 years ago who is far far weaker than oden.
Nothing points to kaido getting stronger

What same technique? Oden used a two sword cross slash, Kinemon used a one sword thrust with no name. Kaido says it's "Oden's Ryuuou" on panel. What is the on panel basis for what you say?

 

[HA001]

What same technique? Oden used a two sword cross slash, Kinemon used a one sword thrust with no name. Kaido says it's "Oden's Ryuuou" on panel. What is the on panel basis for what you say?

Omg. Same haki technique. The acoa. Not actually odens haki.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Omg. Same haki technique. The acoa. Not actually odens haki.

Spoiler

Not "they are using Ryuou" it's Oden's Ryuuou. Kaido is surprised that the blades pierce. We see Kiku and Kinemon pierce and we know that unlike virtually any other character, they are the same as they were twenty years ago. Kaido is surprised that they are getting through despite having seen them twenty years ago when they were just a few months younger at best.

Post the scene where Kaido says "using Ryuuou like Oden." Best I can give you is 988 will explain otherwise.

 

[nik87]

The last Chapter kinda proofs the ''fake hype'' Kaidou has, when people like Kinemon, Kiku etc. have the ability to damage him, how comes no Yonkou or Admiral can appereantly do it - based on what was said about Kaidou? This is just ridiculous and makes no sense in my opinion.

They cant kill him because he is stronger than them.
It all makes sense but people are too caught up in powerscaling to get it...

 

[Midnight Delight]

Powerlevel obsessed Incels are the worst thing to ever happen to One Piece

 

[Fallen Prince]

You guys will be eating words , minor surprise attack by enemy i see people jump on yonko are not worth it.

I am going to wait out how things proceed , kaidos challenge seems legit btw . There is reason marine gave him that title we'll have to wait out.

 

[Formerly Seth]

I am going to wait out how things proceed , kaidos challenge seems legit btw . There is reason marine gave him that title we'll have to wait out.

He can prove whatever he wants.

"If he bleeds we can kill it". As simple as that.

 

[Fallen Prince]

He can prove whatever he wants.

"If he bleeds we can kill it". As simple as that.

Well that is true but people forget he lost 7 times so he is not invinsible. We have to see if they can kill kaido ?

If big mom and marines failed to do it after many years there must be legit reason he has that title.

I ll say lets wait before we give judgement on kaido. People here decide the date before an event take place .

 

[Formerly Seth]

If big mom and marines failed to do it after many years there must be legit reason he has that title.

Remember who executed Roger?

So you get where this is going.

He probably lost 7 times when he was nowhere near commander level ( most likely beaten on Rocks's ship ).
These executions, marine ships transporting him.

Fodders were doing this.

Kaido's hype is crystal clear fake. He will show off his endurance against YC level characters wow so OP showing for WSC

For now, I think this hype is totally fake but we will see how Oda plans to flip this.

 

[Kaido D. Stronger]

As pessoas realmente acham que Oden venceria Kaido ?! No flashback deste capítulo, foi possível perceber que kaido não estava inconsciente após o ataque de oden. ele nunca seria capaz de danificar kaido com seu porrete antes de morrer, na segunda parte da luta oda poe kaido da forma mais inadequada para uma luta contra um espadachim como a única maneira de fazer oden machucá-lo e quando kaido volta ao normal, é só 1 acerto em oden, bom, Kaido se levantou depois de receber um acerto que dividiria qualquer um em dois, oden ?! Ele foi derrotado no chão.

kaido com seu clube> oden.

forma híbrida Kaido> oden e outros.

kaido dragão despreparado, gigantesco, sem clava, tratando oden como aleatório, sem usar haki, + oda ajudando oden a morrer logo, kaido soprando o aleatório e virando seu rosto <oden.