Character Discussion Oden = Odin

[Monkey D Theories]

I think Oden did something big in Elbaf and is associated with the god Odin by the giants.

Why? Well two reasons.

1. Oda loves to glaze Oden
2. Zoro’s character growth

By wano’s end, Zoro had seemingly mastered enma. But Zoro surpassing Oden in Wano doesn’t sit right with me.

Oden wasn’t any yonko commander, he was WB’s RHM. The WBP were on par with the Roger Pirates, meaning Oden was likely comparable to prime Rayleigh.

It just doesn’t make sense for Zoro to have reached such levels in wano, merely because he beat King. He’s at best comparable to Beckman imo.

I think Elbaf is the penultimate milestone the SHs will reach. Luffy will get the 4th poneglyph, leading to him becoming PK, and Zoro will likely reach prime Rayleigh level.

I think Zoro reaching this milestone will be tied to him fully mastering enma and gaining a power up even greater than KoH. Something Oden had but we didn’t see during the Oden flashback.

We know Silhouette man is friends with Crocus, meaning he more than likely met the Roger pirates, Oden included.

Ultimately I see Zoro replicating whatever Oden’s grand feat was and becoming known as the new Odin. In Norse myth, Odin did have only one eye.

 

[Yoho]

I think Oden did something big in Elbaf and is associated with the god Odin by the giants.

Why? Well two reasons.

1. Oda loves to glaze Oden
2. Zoro’s character growth

By wano’s end, Zoro had seemingly mastered enma. But Zoro surpassing Oden in Wano doesn’t sit right with me.

Oden wasn’t any yonko commander, he was WB’s RHM. The WBP were on par with the Roger Pirates, meaning Oden was likely comparable to prime Rayleigh.

It just doesn’t make sense for Zoro to have reached such levels in wano, merely because he beat King. He’s at best comparable to Beckman imo.

I think Elbaf is the penultimate milestone the SHs will reach. Luffy will get the 4th poneglyph, leading to him becoming PK, and Zoro will likely reach prime Rayleigh level.

I think Zoro reaching this milestone will be tied to him fully mastering enma and gaining a power up even greater than KoH. Something Oden had but we didn’t see during the Oden flashback.

We know Silhouette man is friends with Crocus, meaning he more than likely met the Roger pirates, Oden included.

Ultimately I see Zoro replicating whatever Oden’s grand feat was and becoming known as the new Odin. In Norse myth, Odin did have only one eye.

Replace Zoro with Usopp and you might be cooking

 

[Cruxroux]

By wano’s end, Zoro had seemingly mastered enma. But Zoro surpassing Oden in Wano doesn’t sit right with me.

Dude contradicting himself in the very statement.

Oden wasn’t any yonko commander, he was WB’s RHM. The WBP were on par with the Roger Pirates, meaning Oden was likely comparable to prime Rayleigh.

He was not. Nobody let their Right hand man taken by their rival genius.

It just doesn’t make sense for Zoro to have reached such levels in wano, merely because he beat King. He’s at best comparable to Beckman imo.

Oden - Two Sword style , Ryou , AdCoC.
Zoro - 1/2/3 Sword Style , Ryou , AdCoC , KoH , Ashura.

Zoro > Oden is a fact. Written in stones lol.

I think Elbaf is the penultimate milestone the SHs will reach. Luffy will get the 4th poneglyph, leading to him becoming PK, and Zoro will likely reach prime Rayleigh level.

Neither do we know , Rayleigh whole Arsenal nor Benn.
But you have already defined levels for them.

We know Silhouette man is friends with Crocus, meaning he more than likely met the Roger pirates, Oden included.

Simple speculations my dude.

Ultimately I see Zoro replicating whatever Oden’s grand feat was and becoming known as the new Odin. In Norse myth, Odin did have only one eye.

Zoro already did what oden with just ryou. Now sit back.

 

[Water1415]

Oden = Oda

 

[Monkey D Theories]

He was not. Nobody let their Right hand man taken by their rival genius.
.

his feats and portrayal shit on the rest of the WBP
He was also the only one WB called brother

He was likely comparable to prime Rayleigh. The Roger Pirates vs WBP fight suggests this. Who else could have matched Rayleigh? Young Marco? Lol

Oden - Two Sword style , Ryou , AdCoC.
Zoro - 1/2/3 Sword Style , Ryou , AdCoC , KoH , Ashura.

Zoro > Oden is a fact. Written in stones lol.
.

That’s why I think Oden likely had something else. Some degree of mastery over Enma Zoro doesn’t.

This would perfectly fit Oden ~ Rayleigh as well as Oden’s placement on Kaido’s top 5.

Unless you somehow think current Zoro is already comparable to Rayleigh, just because he beat King and gave Kaido a little cut.

 

[Cruxroux]

his feats and portrayal shit on the rest of the WBP
He was also the only one WB called brother

He was likely comparable to prime Rayleigh. The Roger Pirates vs WBP fight suggests this. Who else could have matched Rayleigh? Young Marco? Lol

Whitebeard never had a RHM , or only to ever exist is Marco lol.
He was not comparable to Rayleigh. Rayleigh us superior.

That’s why I think Oden likely had something else. Some degree of mastery over Enma Zoro doesn’t.

This would perfectly fit Oden ~ Rayleigh as well as Oden’s placement on Kaido’s top 5.

Unless you somehow think current Zoro is already comparable to Rayleigh, just because he beat King and gave Kaido a little cut

" Oden likely had something else ".
He only gained AdCoC out of voyage from roger and wb.
Zoro devised even the king of hell version which oden never did.

Placements which fits your headcanon that it.

Zoro is indeed comparable to Rayleigh , There title are similar too and both of them happens to be AdCoC and Sword user lol.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Zoro is indeed comparable to Rayleigh , There title are similar too and both of them happens to be AdCoC and Sword user lol.

Zoro has been beating King and Lucci while Ray has fought on par with Kizaru and scared off Teach.

The WBP fought the Roger pirates for 3 days and nights. Oden was the 2nd strongest WBP after WB himself. He is definitely comparable to Rayleigh.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Maybe El Thor will come back in Elbaf?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

This portrayal of Oden on par with Rayleigh and as a legendary pirate alongside Shanks, Roger, Xebec, and WB necessitates he has something Zoro doesn’t

Zoro is a 1.1 billion berry pirate. He is stronger than King but his reputation is that of a normal YC1, not a legend like Rayleigh or Oden.

I think that while Zoro can use enma with high degrees of mastery, there’s still one more thing he’s yet to unlock

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

This portrayal of Oden on par with Rayleigh and as a legendary pirate alongside Shanks, Roger, Xebec, and WB necessitates he has something Zoro doesn’t

Zoro is a 1.1 billion berry pirate. He is stronger than King but his reputation is that of a normal YC1, not a legend like Rayleigh or Oden.

I think that while Zoro can use enma with high degrees of mastery, there’s still one more thing he’s yet to unlock

Oden was clearly better matched against Gaban, which would imply he wasn't on par with Ray.

 

[Cruxroux]

Zoro has been beating King and Lucci while Ray has fought on par with Kizaru and scared off Teach.

Zoro fought equal amount against Kaidou lol and actually did some damage unlike Rayleigh.
Zoro scared both Kaidou and Bigmam at the same time lol.

The WBP fought the Roger pirates for 3 days and nights. Oden was the 2nd strongest WBP after WB himself. He is definitely comparable to Rayleigh.

And we saw Oden Fighting Gaban lol not rayleigh.

This portrayal of Oden on par with Rayleigh and as a legendary pirate alongside Shanks, Roger, Xebec, and WB necessitates he has something Zoro doesn’t

Oden was considered great by Kaidou not by the world.
Zoro has just started out you fuckin clown why would he be that much famous instantly.

Zoro is a 1.1 billion berry pirate. He is stronger than King but his reputation is that of a normal YC1, not a legend like Rayleigh or Oden.

Again oden is only considered legendary by Kaidou.
Zoro 1.1 B bounty makes no sense he is way stronger than that.

I think that while Zoro can use enma with high degrees of mastery, there’s still one more thing he’s yet to unlock

He already unlocked something Which Prime oden couldn't.
Give up lol , zoro > Oden.

 

[nik87]

It just doesn’t make sense for Zoro to have reached such levels in wano, merely because he beat King.

Just like it doesnt make sense that he can trash Doffy, Cracker, Katakuri and Luffy because he merely beat Pica?

The thought of Zoro already being stronger than the Pirate King is something that gives people nightmares, eh?

Ultimately I see Zoro replicating whatever Oden’s grand feat was and becoming known as the new Odin.

He already did and he didn't even need aCoC for it.

 

[JoNdule]

Oden was clearly better matched against Gaban, which would imply he wasn't on par with Ray.

That's why Ray and Scopper knew they can only 2v1 not 1v1 him since he's too much
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Prime Oden > Prime Ray

Kaido isn't grouping Oden with Xebec, Shanks, Roger, and WB if he's below Ray , Mihawk and Admirals

Roger, Ray and Scopper all knew non prime Oden was already too much for Rayleigh to handle 1v1

 

[gz89]

Yeap i'm ready for a giant twerking for Sun God Nika.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

That's why Ray and Scopper knew they can only 2v1 not 1v1 him since he's too much
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Prime Oden > Prime Ray

Kaido isn't grouping Oden with Xebec, Shanks, Roger, and WB if he's below Ray , Mihawk and Admirals

Roger, Ray and Scopper all knew non prime Oden was already too much for Rayleigh to handle 1v1

Lol what, Roger's number 3 was matching Oden pretty well on his own.

 

[gz89]

Lol what, Roger's number 3 was matching Oden pretty well on his own.

That was anime filler iirc but it doesn't change anything.

Oden was a nobody outside of Wano.
Sengoku thought of him as one more of WB's commanders. His reputation is nowhere close to Ray.

 

[CbShadow]

Zoro has already surpassed Oden. That happened at the end of Wano.

Like Oden, Zoro isn't your normal YC. He's One of the leaders of the new generation and was stronger than Luffy on the rooftop. He's has already obtained impressions feats against three top tier characters.

Oden's greatest feasts were scarring Kaido and mastering enma. Oden was the only one ever to scar Kaido and the only one able to master enma. Zoro achieved and surpassed both of those feats in Wano. That's the reason he surpassed Oden. Zoro went from scarring Kaido without ACoC and before he mastered enma to scarring King who's harder to damage than Kaido and can withstand attacks better than Kaido. After Zoro mastered enma he used the requirement needed to master Emma to create 2 new powerful sword style that are beyond Oden's ability.

The black blade scene was meant to tell us forging a black blade is way beyond Oden's capability and strength level. Zoro didn't need to forge a black blade to surpass Oden. Forging a black blade will occur later on in the manga.

Oden was just another character design to help Zoro to take one step closer to surpassing Mihawk.

 

[The White Crane]

Oden = Oda

/thread

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Zoro has already surpassed Oden. That happened at the end of Wano.

Like Oden, Zoro isn't your normal YC. He's One of the leaders of the new generation and was stronger than Luffy on the rooftop. He's has already obtained impressions feats against three top tier characters.

Oden's greatest feasts were scarring Kaido and mastering enma. Oden was the only one ever to scar Kaido and the only one able to master enma. Zoro achieved and surpassed both of those feats in Wano. That's the reason he surpassed Oden. Zoro went from scarring Kaido without ACoC and before he mastered enma to scarring King who's harder to damage than Kaido and can withstand attacks better than Kaido. After Zoro mastered enma he used the requirement needed to master Emma to create 2 new powerful sword style that are beyond Oden's ability.

The black blade scene was meant to tell us forging a black blade is way beyond Oden's capability and strength level. Zoro didn't need to forge a black blade to surpass Oden. Forging a black blade will occur later on in the manga.

Oden was just another character design to help Zoro to take one step closer to surpassing Mihawk.

Zoro's attack was also done on a stronger Kaido and than the one oden faced. Zoro's asura attack on roof top is comparable to oden's togen totsuka.

 

[Logiko]

I think Oden did something big in Elbaf and is associated with the god Odin by the giants.

Why? Well two reasons.

1. Oda loves to glaze Oden
2. Zoro’s character growth

By wano’s end, Zoro had seemingly mastered enma. But Zoro surpassing Oden in Wano doesn’t sit right with me.

Oden wasn’t any yonko commander, he was WB’s RHM. The WBP were on par with the Roger Pirates, meaning Oden was likely comparable to prime Rayleigh.

It just doesn’t make sense for Zoro to have reached such levels in wano, merely because he beat King. He’s at best comparable to Beckman imo.

I think Elbaf is the penultimate milestone the SHs will reach. Luffy will get the 4th poneglyph, leading to him becoming PK, and Zoro will likely reach prime Rayleigh level.

I think Zoro reaching this milestone will be tied to him fully mastering enma and gaining a power up even greater than KoH. Something Oden had but we didn’t see during the Oden flashback.

We know Silhouette man is friends with Crocus, meaning he more than likely met the Roger pirates, Oden included.

Ultimately I see Zoro replicating whatever Oden’s grand feat was and becoming known as the new Odin. In Norse myth, Odin did have only one eye.

Rather than Odin, I'd say that behind Oden are two figures of the Ancient Roman and the Ancient Greek mythology:

- Heracles (Hercules)
- Atlas

You can find traces of inspiration of Heracles in the youth of Oden and his journey with Shanks.

And you can understand the inspiration of Atlas behind the portrayal of Oden from his design, to his actions to his character arc. Atlas is literally the embodiement of the the one who endures. And that's exactly what Oden is. Rather than being someone who relies on his friends and ally, Oden completely relies on himself and takes LITERALLY ALL the burden of the world on his shoulders. (That's one of the reason why Oden fails and Luffy succeeds)