Character Discussion "Oden Two-sword style is the greatest there is"
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Nik Sama, weren´t you the one who said all these characters were weak and irrelevant anyway, and there placement was only because they would get surpassed by their sons?
Why exactly can´t Oden be downplayed because of this panel, then?
Why exactly can´t Oden be downplayed because of this panel, then?
And yes, they are irrelevant, none of them are in the Final Saga, aside from Shanks.
You cant downplay Oden without downplaying others even more.
Which is what the meme is implying. That Oden can´t be downplayed because his placement on the panel indicates he is one of the strongest characters of the show. But your argument is that Oden is simply a placeholder for his 8 year old son, so there´s no issue with downplaying Oden himself.
Of course you can. What does Oden have to do with Rocks? Who of those other 4 did Oden beat?
Of course you can. What does Oden have to do with Rocks? Who of those other 4 did Oden beat?
The meme was made by someone bitching that Oden isn´t making peoples top 5/10s anymore despite his placement. However, the creator doesn´t realize he´s only present to hype up the rise of Lord Momonosuke
What puts Oden over Rocks?
Because if Oden never beat any of the others, why would we automatically place Oden above them,lol?
What puts Oden over Rocks?
Because if Oden never beat any of the others, why would we automatically place Oden above them,lol?
The meme was made by someone bitching that Oden isn´t making peoples top 5/10s anymore despite his placement. However, the creator doesn´t realize he´s only present to hype up the rise of Lord Momonosuke
A scar on Kaido.
Because the narrative portrays the one capable of leaving a scar on Kaido as above others.
Aside from narrator himself confirming Oden above Roger and WB.
It´s not hypocritical as long as you don´t downplay Momo though, who the panel is really about....
Why would Rocks scar his own subordinate?
Is Teach above the characters who aren´t noted to have Scarred Shanks then?
Lol, are you using an obviously hyperbolic statement about him being invincible seriously? That statement is simply to contrast with the absurdity of him dancing in the next panel. Be serious for once...
Why would Rocks scar his own subordinate?
Is Teach above the characters who aren´t noted to have Scarred Shanks then?
Lol, are you using an obviously hyperbolic statement about him being invincible seriously? That statement is simply to contrast with the absurdity of him dancing in the next panel. Be serious for once...
Why are you coping?
Is Kaido a subordinate of Shanks, WB, Roger too to cope like that?
You went full copium, huh?
Since when is scarring Shanks the same thing as scarring Kaido?
No, it is about author stating that the strength of Kozuki Oden surpassed the expectations while expecting a strength like Roger's/WB's.
Is Kaido a subordinate of Shanks, WB, Roger too to cope like that?
You went full copium, huh?
Since when is scarring Shanks the same thing as scarring Kaido?
No, it is about author stating that the strength of Kozuki Oden surpassed the expectations while expecting a strength like Roger's/WB's.
Lmao, I was using your own argument.
Okay, well those characters would be a different conversation. But Rocks at the very least at no point in the story tried scarring Kaido, so Oden doing so is pretty much irrelevant.
Wdym? One may be harder, but the action is the same. If scarring is the highest achievement in a battle, Blackbeard did what Mihawk couldn´t.
Who was being referred too? What was said was his strength surpassed the ¨enemies¨ expectations as a whole. Which includes the entire army he fought, not just Kaido who already knew how strong Oden was. Until that point, most of the beast pirates and Orochi´s Samurai thought of Oden as just a dancing clown.
Okay, well those characters would be a different conversation. But Rocks at the very least at no point in the story tried scarring Kaido, so Oden doing so is pretty much irrelevant.
Wdym? One may be harder, but the action is the same. If scarring is the highest achievement in a battle, Blackbeard did what Mihawk couldn´t.
Who was being referred too? What was said was his strength surpassed the ¨enemies¨ expectations as a whole. Which includes the entire army he fought, not just Kaido who already knew how strong Oden was. Until that point, most of the beast pirates and Orochi´s Samurai thought of Oden as just a dancing clown.
No, you are coping.
Momo has nothing to do with hypocricy of those who downplay Oden.
It is the same conversation and very relevant.
You can cope but I will call you out on it.
You are still coping on top of being intellectually dishonest.
Kaido is the 2nd toughest being in the world and scarring him is something close to impossible.
Shanks is irrelevant to leaving scars on someone as tough as Kaido.
Intellectual dishonesty at display, again.
It literally says the strength of Kozuki Oden, not the entire "army" of 10.
Wrong, Kaido didnt know how strong Oden was but he expected him to be as mighty as Roger/WB based on reputation.
Kaido literally sees Oden the same as Roger/WB and still had his expectations surpassed by strength of Kozuki Oden.
There is no wiggle room here, it is as clear as it gets.
Momo has nothing to do with hypocricy of those who downplay Oden.
It is the same conversation and very relevant.
You can cope but I will call you out on it.
You are still coping on top of being intellectually dishonest.
Kaido is the 2nd toughest being in the world and scarring him is something close to impossible.
Shanks is irrelevant to leaving scars on someone as tough as Kaido.
Intellectual dishonesty at display, again.
It literally says the strength of Kozuki Oden, not the entire "army" of 10.
Wrong, Kaido didnt know how strong Oden was but he expected him to be as mighty as Roger/WB based on reputation.
Kaido literally sees Oden the same as Roger/WB and still had his expectations surpassed by strength of Kozuki Oden.
There is no wiggle room here, it is as clear as it gets.
You´re the one arguing that the panel is about Momo and not Oden, rendering the argument worthless anyway. Also, implying Oden would be weaker then Momo at any point in the story is the most extreme downplay of Oden I´ve seen in my life anyway. So, focus on the man in the mirror for that one.
So, did Rocks try to scar Kaido at any point in time? So why is Oden´s feat relevant to Rocks in any shape or form?
Well, as far as we know, only 1 character has scarred each of them, so scarring Shanks was also likely impossible for everyone fought before Teach, though it is probably harder to scar Kaido, yes.
Yes, the enemy army was shocked of Odens strength. The enemies army was like, thousands of characters or something. Read what I said, I didn´t imply they were shocked at Oden´s army.
Kaido must be retarded then, since he already fought Oden in the castle, and he should know how strong he is from sensing his Haki alone, since they were in the same country for 5 years.....
So, did Rocks try to scar Kaido at any point in time? So why is Oden´s feat relevant to Rocks in any shape or form?
Well, as far as we know, only 1 character has scarred each of them, so scarring Shanks was also likely impossible for everyone fought before Teach, though it is probably harder to scar Kaido, yes.
Yes, the enemy army was shocked of Odens strength. The enemies army was like, thousands of characters or something. Read what I said, I didn´t imply they were shocked at Oden´s army.
Kaido must be retarded then, since he already fought Oden in the castle, and he should know how strong he is from sensing his Haki alone, since they were in the same country for 5 years.....
No, I am pointing out the hypocrisy of those who downplay Oden compared to other 4. Stick to the facts.
He fought Kaido and couldnt scar him, just like the other 3 who fought him and couldnt.
Because that's how narrative separates Oden from those who arent strong enough to scar Kaido.
Lord of the coast disagrees with your cope.
No, Kaido's expectations were surpassed.
He is the one who fought Kozuki Oden, not the others.
As I said, read the manga and you will know he is going off of Oden's reputation.
He fought Kaido and couldnt scar him, just like the other 3 who fought him and couldnt.
Because that's how narrative separates Oden from those who arent strong enough to scar Kaido.
Lord of the coast disagrees with your cope.
No, Kaido's expectations were surpassed.
He is the one who fought Kozuki Oden, not the others.
As I said, read the manga and you will know he is going off of Oden's reputation.
I find it interesting in this chapter, Oden explicitly hypes up his sword fighting ability. On his admission, his two sword style is the best there is. It's good to see, that actual sword technique and style still holds weight.
Is this Oden claiming himself to be the best swordsman at that period of time? This was likely after he already knew Roger had passed away too.
Also on a sidenote, lol at people who say Oden is not a benchmark for Zoro to surpass. Not only has he inherited Oden's blade, but Oden's two sword style has been called the greatest.
Perhaps Hiyori seeing Zoro use the 3 sword style had a huge sway on her deciding he was worthy of taking Enma.
When did Rocks fight Kaido lol? He just kicked him away and the fight never ended up happening. There´s no proof he could or couldn´t scar him.
No, it´s just your headcanon that Rocks tried to scar Kaido at some point and failed. That has never been shown to have happened in the manga. Why would Rocks try to scar his own subordinate btw?
Why? The Lord of the Coast never scarred Shanks
Enemies, as in plural. The narrator said this while showing Oden fighting 1000 beast pirates
You aren´t following. He was talking about how he was going off of Oden´s reputation *5 years ago*, when he was returning to Wano country. Kaido says that his reputation was that he would be fearless and quickly engage in a war
However, when Kaido and Oden were fighting, Orochi proposed a deal, where Oden would dance to avoid a fight, which led to Kaido to point out how Oden didn´t really live up to his name. By the time of this fight, he had already known how strong Oden was, given the fact that they had literally fought eachother already.
No, it´s just your headcanon that Rocks tried to scar Kaido at some point and failed. That has never been shown to have happened in the manga. Why would Rocks try to scar his own subordinate btw?
Why? The Lord of the Coast never scarred Shanks
Enemies, as in plural. The narrator said this while showing Oden fighting 1000 beast pirates
You aren´t following. He was talking about how he was going off of Oden´s reputation *5 years ago*, when he was returning to Wano country. Kaido says that his reputation was that he would be fearless and quickly engage in a war
However, when Kaido and Oden were fighting, Orochi proposed a deal, where Oden would dance to avoid a fight, which led to Kaido to point out how Oden didn´t really live up to his name. By the time of this fight, he had already known how strong Oden was, given the fact that they had literally fought eachother already.
He fought him whenever because Kaido lists him among the strongest 5 whom he has fought.
He isnt listing people he never fought. This isnt hard if you apply logic.
Nobody tried to scar Kaido, scarring Kaido has never been a goal for anyone. Stop repeating this nonsense.
However, leaving a scar on Kaido is a portrayal 2nd to none. I already told you, the subordinate nonsense doesnt work.
What do you think is at the place of the missing arm? A scar.
You are just playing dumb at this point. Not even mad, it is amazing.
Wrong translation and deliberately ignoring the context.
Wrong. Kaido says that Oden is a mighty pirate like Roger and Whitebeard and he expects Oden's strength to be just like their's.
And still, has his expectations surpassed by Oden's strength. If you arent getting this, it is a matter of reading comprehension.
Or simply agenda.
He isnt listing people he never fought. This isnt hard if you apply logic.
Nobody tried to scar Kaido, scarring Kaido has never been a goal for anyone. Stop repeating this nonsense.
However, leaving a scar on Kaido is a portrayal 2nd to none. I already told you, the subordinate nonsense doesnt work.
What do you think is at the place of the missing arm? A scar.
You are just playing dumb at this point. Not even mad, it is amazing.
Enemies, as in plural. The narrator said this while showing Oden fighting 1000 beast pirates
You aren´t following. He was talking about how he was going off of Oden´s reputation *5 years ago*, when he was returning to Wano country. Kaido says that his reputation was that he would be fearless and quickly engage in a war
However, when Kaido and Oden were fighting, Orochi proposed a deal, where Oden would dance to avoid a fight, which led to Kaido to point out how Oden didn´t really live up to his name. By the time of this fight, he had already known how strong Oden was, given the fact that they had literally fought eachother already.
However, when Kaido and Oden were fighting, Orochi proposed a deal, where Oden would dance to avoid a fight, which led to Kaido to point out how Oden didn´t really live up to his name. By the time of this fight, he had already known how strong Oden was, given the fact that they had literally fought eachother already.
And still, has his expectations surpassed by Oden's strength. If you arent getting this, it is a matter of reading comprehension.
Or simply agenda.
