General & Others Oden vs. Kaido Plothole?

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BBsZehahaInTheNewWorld

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I will revive a more or less 'old' topic, but I'm really surprised that people think Prime Oden was stronger than Flashback Kaido and latter only won due to a trick. I mean fine, if that's your interpretation. Mind you, that this creates an immense plothole: Oden himself clarified if he can't defeat him, it's over. He even gave his swords away, depite being able to escape that prison cell easily. He didn't.

The most reasonable interpretation is that after failing to behead Kaido with his strongest attack, giving him 'merely' the wound, he told him to leave Wano, this doesn't sound like a confident final blow on an enemy.

What about Higurashi? Whether or not Oden was stronger, we all agree it would have been an intense fight. Oda made it clear that he doesn't want to spent much time on fights (with Luffy-centered expectations), he didn't care that much (remember the false teasing of the legendary hour?). So Higurashi served simply as a catalyst.

As many of you I am disappointed, it could have been one of the best fights of the series, but it was predictable regardless. If my approach is wrong, then Oda has done goofed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/6lxseg
 
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BBsZehahaInTheNewWorld

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Hanzo hattori said:
Young Kaido => Oden especially after knowing that he has a hybrid form + Oden fought base Kaido in the castle and didn't do shit to him
Attacking dragon Kaido is not a big deal the scabbards did it too the same goes for the supernova
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Yepp, I agree the gap wasn't big at all, but to think that Oden was easily able to defeat him creates writing issues.
 
Dickie D. Dick

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BBsZehahaInTheNewWorld said:
Explain
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You said Oden didn't intend to kill Crydo but Oden himself admit he planned to sneak to Crydo's bed and cut his neck
You said Crydo > Oden but Crydo has Oden PTSD and still suffer from wound Oden gave him 20 years and the future (yep, Oden beat Crydo from the grave)
You put so much weight to the words "leave Wano's border" while you ignore that those words rather than show Crydo as above Oden (he's not, Crydo himself put Oden on deiffrent level lol) they about how Oden who wanted to open Wano borders is now want to keep a dangrous enemy out and close the borders to him - a conflic in Oden character which show the character develment he went thourgh in his 5 years of piracy (he was still a dumbass lol)
 
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BBsZehahaInTheNewWorld

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Le Fishe D. Crydo said:
You said Oden didn't intend to kill Crydo but Oden himself admit he planned to sneak to Crydo's bed and cut his neck
You said Crydo > Oden but Crydo has Oden PTSD and still suffer from wound Oden gave him 20 years and the future (yep, Oden beat Crydo from the grave)
You put so much weight to the words "leave Wano's border" while you ignore that those words rather than show Crydo as above Oden (he's not, Crydo himself put Oden on deiffrent level lol) they about how Oden who wanted to open Wano borders is now want to keep a dangrous enemy out and close the borders to him - a conflic in Oden character which show the character develment he went thourgh in his 5 years of piracy (he was still a dumbass lol)
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There seems to be a misunderstanding, Oden DID indeed intend to cut his neck, shortly after he suddenly says to Kaido :"Leave Wano". My point: he realized he failed to do so, with his (presumably) strongest attack. I also didn't say that Oden was incredibly weaker than Kaido, he was an acknowledged opponent, I think Kaido was still stronger. He wouldn't leave the land just so, not after trolling Oden for 5 years.
 
Loki D. Terror

Loki D. Terror

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Another thing is luffy also made kaido down for some time but he got up immediately. Kaido had the strength to k.o. oden after taking that attack.
imo young kaido vs oden can go either way- divine thunder can one shot if not drop oden's hp to 70 - reason being wounded kaido using no name attack k.o.ed him while kaido tanked his attack.
We don't know what happens when divine thunder clashes with totsuka paradise.

Hybrid kaido should have a guaranteed win
 
Loki D. Terror

Loki D. Terror

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Punpun said:
This is what happens when you have to wank the character to the max. You even start to ignore what the character itself is saying.

Sorry to burst your headcanon but Oden was stronger than Kaido. By how much I don't know but enough to give Kaido PTSD and admit defeat and even acknowledge that he would be dead.

Even if Kaido pulls out Hybrid, Awakening or hell pulls out another devil fruit if he had those things back when the fight happened, Oden was stronger than Kaido.

And by Kaido's own statement Oden would still be able to tango with Kaido even in present.
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We don't know that. All we saw kaido using boro breath which oden tanked and used totsuka paradise.
Dragon form is the weakest form period
WOUNDED Kaido was able to K.O. oden using a no name attack....
Divine thunder from healthy kaido would be far more devastating....
Hybrid kaido should be more powerful...
You can't say kaido used base/hybrid form when we never see one...
PIS is a thing in one piece
 
Loki D. Terror

Loki D. Terror

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Punpun said:
You didn't even read what I said did you?

It doesn't matter if had those things or not, Oda choose not to show them for hype reasons. What Oda choose to show is that one character won by playing dirty and after that he had PTSD for his whole life. There are clear implications that Oden would've defeated at that time whatever form Kaido took .

But because you guys have to wank Kaido, your even willing to blame Oda for your own headcanon. Atleast if you want to wank Kaido that much, don't blame oda and just this is personal headcanon.
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It seems you have very poor reading skills. PIS IS A THING IN ONE PIECE
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Punpun said:
You didn't even read what I said did you?

It doesn't matter if had those things or not, Oda choose not to show them for hype reasons. What Oda choose to show is that one character won by playing dirty and after that he had PTSD for his whole life. There are clear implications that Oden would've defeated at that time whatever form Kaido took .

But because you guys have to wank Kaido, your even willing to blame Oda for your own headcanon. Atleast if you want to wank Kaido that much, don't blame oda and just say this is my personal headcanon.
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I don't blame oda....if luffy fight a opponent in base gets defeated and had ptsd of them that doesn't inherently means luffy can't defeat them using g4...
 
kom5

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Lol he can only spend one chapter for fights but dedicated 4 chapters to Rebeccas flashback, to Otama or fodders there he can spend more chapters but for fights only one chapter nobody rewatches Otama or Rebecca but a cool Fuji vs Sabo would have millions of views which would boost the sale
 
Fn Lucci

Fn Lucci

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:kaidowhat:
Where is the plot hole?
kom5 said:
Lol he can only spend one chapter for fights but dedicated 4 chapters to Rebeccas flashback, to Otama or fodders there he can spend more chapters but for fights only one chapter nobody rewatches Otama or Rebecca but a cool Fuji vs Sabo would have millions of views which would boost the sale
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I'm skeptical about going back to find that Rebecca's flashback was four chapters. But even if it was I think we can say that the balance of flashbacks vs fights leaned well toward the latter in that arc.
 
kom5

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Fn Lucci said:
:kaidowhat:
Where is the plot hole?


I'm skeptical about going back to find that Rebecca's flashback was four chapters. But even if it was I think we can say that the balance of flashbacks vs fights leaned well toward the latter in that arc.
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Its not Sabo vs Fujitora offscreened , Pica vs Zoro mostly offscreened, Doffy vs Law offscreened, Law vs Fujitora and Doflamingo offscreened, but Ussop tonatta panels are more than you think

Because of Dressrosa OP mainly lost many market share it the focus of the story was on meaningless things well as OPM and MHA outshined it with cool action-packed sequences
 
Fn Lucci

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kom5 said:
Its not Sabo vs Fujitora offscreened , Pica vs Zoro mostly offscreened, Doffy vs Law offscreened, Law vs Fujitora and Doflamingo offscreened, but Ussop tonatta panels are more than you think

Because of Dressrosa OP mainly lost many market share it the focus of the story was on meaningless things well as OPM and MHA outshined it with cool action-packed sequences
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The sales figures are tied in with confirmation bias. Like you think it's not as good and point to less than optimal sales... when there are factors like sheer series length.

Dressrosa subtracted Sanji but added several gladiators as well as an entire tournament. Overall it spends a significantly larger page count than probably any arc aside from Enies Lobby on fight scenes. The fact that we don't see the fights panel by panel from start to end doesn't really change that.

Oden's flashback went on for over a volume. It was rough following weekly and for all those who complain about the nature of that fight, do you really think it should have been longer given we knew the outcome years before?
 
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KAIDO D. STRONGER

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I will make a more detailed post on ODEN and kaido to end this conversation immediately.
Oden never was and never will be stronger than KAIDO.
I'm tired of saying that. Most people misinterpret ODEN's FB.
 
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