Break Week Ok.. looks like I need to be a Sanji fan instead

[notAfanboy]

You dont hate or love the characters,
You direct your hate or love to the mangaka/writer.
Oda fuck*d up Sanji's character with repetitive gags.
Once or twice in an arc is ok, but seeing it every time Sanji gets panel time is cringe.

Zoro on the other hand is always like 😐
So, nothing much to say about him. Oda do it intentionally.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Zoro on the other hand is always like 😐
So, nothing much to say about him. Oda do it intentionally.

So disappointing

 

[Alter]

Saying Sanji is stronger than Zoro shows a pretty bad understanding of power scaling, saying Sanji is better written than Zoro shows a really bad understanding of everything

Tbh, post-timeskip, both are equally not written well.

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Sanji should become the main protagonist at WCI. It has pretty simple plot and only half of the crew appear.
I'm one of the first people at OJ Forum who said that there are a lot of way to shine, not just via fighting someone strong. And I like the general ideao of WCI too.
But the execution feel underwhelming and dragging.

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Zoro should be at least top 3 protagonist at Wano.
I don't think he will be main protagonist since, unlike WCI, a lot of big name involved here and this would be the first time Luffy will beat Yonkou.
But, Zoro's post Wano achievement is arguably below not only Luffy, but also Kid and Law.
Heck, even for #4 position, some people even put Yamato who show solid feat at her debut over Zoro. This could be a debate, but achievement wise, it is pretty clear that he is not at top 3.
Even Shanks who appear out of nowhere as cameo has arguably more memorable feat than Zoro who appear in more than 100 chapters.

This is underwhelming considering Wano was teased from quite long time ago as a place for strong swordsman/samurai and Zoro is the only swordsman (two if you count Brook) in the crew.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

This is underwhelming considering Wano was teased from quite long time ago as a place for strong swordsman/samurai and Zoro is the only swordsman (two if you count Brook) in the crew.

Wano was a disappointment overall. Not only Zoro.s plot was ruined

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

@BornInAbyss I respect your choice. Just don't give a shit about other folks' opinions and enjoy what you're enjoying the most. Don't be bound by others' peer pressure.

With that being said, any Sanji fans are guaranteed to get protection from me. Let me know if someone is picking on you just because you're trying to express freedom of choice and I will gladly put judgement on them.

 

[Rej]

I am a claimed second-row-character-lover. People are underrating the god himself, Usopp! Once he unlocks his CoC, every other fandom will shake to it's core. Also the guitar is my go-to tool and that is why Brook's time is to come soon! People just aren't ready yet!

 

[Gears Kaios]

We don’t need pity fans……
You need to learn to stand up for yourself man

never let someone force you into something you don’t want to do. At the end of the day only your opinion of yourself matters. Not anyone else

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Tbh, post-timeskip, both are equally not written well.

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Sanji should become the main protagonist at WCI. It has pretty simple plot and only half of the crew appear.
I'm one of the first people at OJ Forum who said that there are a lot of way to shine, not just via fighting someone strong. And I like the general ideao of WCI too.
But the execution feel underwhelming and dragging.

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Zoro should be at least top 3 protagonist at Wano.
I don't think he will be main protagonist since, unlike WCI, a lot of big name involved here and this would be the first time Luffy will beat Yonkou.
But, Zoro's post Wano achievement is arguably below not only Luffy, but also Kid and Law.
Heck, even for #4 position, some people even put Yamato who show solid feat at her debut over Zoro. This could be a debate, but achievement wise, it is pretty clear that he is not at top 3.
Even Shanks who appear out of nowhere as cameo has arguably more memorable feat than Zoro who appear in more than 100 chapters.

This is underwhelming considering Wano was teased from quite long time ago as a place for strong swordsman/samurai and Zoro is the only swordsman (two if you count Brook) in the crew.

A lot of that is just personal expectations not being met not a character being written well or not.
@Garp the Fist made a post that perfectly explains my thoughts on the subject better than I ever could:

The one chapter of Zoro unlocking KoH was better written character writing than anything Sanji has gotten post-skip.

Unlocking KoH took everything we knew about Zoro over the decades and tied it up together.

Sanji and Germa required Oda to pull the atrocious Vinsmoke family out of his ass and suddenly turn Sanji into a tormented saint with crippling self-worth issues. It was a terrible attempt to recapture the formula that had been so successful with Nami, Robin and to an extent Law. Complete with “you will find people who love you” and his own “i want to live.” But we had already seen it done before, and done better.

But those three‘s stories worked because the characters and the plotlines unfolded naturally from their introductions. We knew Nami hated pirates from the beginning, didn’t trust them, we wanted to know why, got Arlong Park to explain. We knew Robin was wanted since she was a child, had a dream the world hated, wanted to kill herself in Alabasta, for the EL and we found out why. We knew Law had a relationship with the Ds, helped Luffy despite being his enemy, then we got buildup with Doffy in PH.

Where was the buildup for Sanji’s story? Didn’t exist, other than an offhand mention of being born in North Blue. Any sign that Sanji had deep seated trauma from his childhood before we got to Zou? Nope. WCI couldn’t even give a good reason for Sanji’s woman hangup, it’s something Zeff literally beat into him? That just makes Zeff retrospectively worse. Any sign that Sanji hated royalty or immoral scientists or anything like that? Nope.

And then we did have the arc the entire thing was redundant. We knew, from the very beginning, that nothing would change. There was no chance of Oda ever doing something interesting and the arc ending in any way other than Sanji coming back to the Strawhats.

With Nami it was still early in the series, the first big rescue arc, so everyone could enjoy the ride.

With Robin, Oda genuinely did something a bit different throughout because he had the crew literally falling apart at the seams throughout.

By the time we got to Sanji we knew Oda too well and there was no chance of any interesting change. Not 800 chapters in.

Then came the actual arc, and Germa were just so amazingly, incredibly, dull. Terrible, terrible characters. Judge, what happens if you take Caeser and rip out every bit of personality. Huey, Dewey and Louie, who had exactly one personality trait each (arrogant, snarky, stupid). Reiju and Sora, who were women so Oda made them good, how thrilling and unexpected. The flashbacks only work when they have interesting characters to bounce off. That‘s why the Zeff flashback is so good. Germa did not have one interesting character in it.

Then we got to Wano, and the entire fucking fake dilemma had to be repeated again. “Oh god, does Luffy want me to be a kind hearted cook or a cold hearted killer?” We just had an eighty chapter arc that answered that question, never mind the decades of material before it. I’m genuinely amazed so many people bought “evil Sanji”.

Give me Zoro being himself and building on what has came before anyday over Sanji’s melodramatic bullshit. The ending to Wano was, quite obviously, far from perfect, and Zoro’s plotline in particular suffered from it. But I’ll take that any day of the week over Zoro after twenty years suddenly becoming an emotional basketcase crying outside a teenagers bedroom with a by-the-numbers flashback to explain it.

 

[Reborn]

You want to wank sanji or zoro or luffy or even Gaimon


It's all your choice


Don't understand why you felt the to make a thread about it when almost everyone don't care

 

[Julius]

Will Sanji get ACOC? Nope

I wouldn't be so sure tbh

 

[Cruxroux]

You want to wank sanji or zoro or luffy or even Gaimon


It's all your choice


Don't understand why you felt the to make a thread about it when almost everyone don't care

This is just bait for zorofans to come have a heated argument and get ban.
This is part of a bigger plan.

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Sanji and Zoro Fans Assemble

 

[Roronoa-sama]

This is like I broke up with scarlett johansson to date with monkey of the fair

 

[Herrera95]

You are none of them. Not even a Sanji fan or a Zoro fan.

Anyone who enjoys WCI and Sanji genes power up is not a Sanji fan. I'm not against IJ since it is not from awakened bullshit genes after 20 years.

And anyone who thinks Zoro isn't AT LEAST as strong as Luffy is not a Zoro fan. I give you the benefit of doubt if you say him and Luffy are equals but usually the true fans knows he is in fact stronger.

 

[Courier]

When Sanji become Mythical fiery bird. Even more Zoro fans become Sanji fans

 

[Law-sama]

You're on the right path :cheers:

 

[Soyz]

:shame:

A lot of that is just personal expectations not being met not a character being written well or not.
@Garp the Fist made a post that perfectly explains my thoughts on the subject better than I ever could:

Yeah but no one cares, if u ask people outside of this forum they will say sanji is better written regardless of likable or not, the mental gymnastics people go through to prove zoro is better in everything is so bad lmao grow up

 

[Buggy D Clown]

:shame:
Yeah but no one cares, if u ask people outside of this forum they will say sanji is better written regardless of likable or not, the mental gymnastics people go through to prove zoro is better in everything is so bad lmao grow up

lmao you grow up, you addressed nothing in the post.
Sanji is better at cooking, you happy?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

lmao you grow up, you addressed nothing in the post.
Sanji is better at cooking, you happy?

Sanji is a character
Zoro is a character
Make peace,my children

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Sanji is a character
Zoro is a character
Make peace,my children

And this is a forum where we discuss said characters