Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1001 Spoilers Discussion

[Cinera]

I understand this. However the difference is timeline.
Zoro just received the other two swords and hasn’t had a chance to train with it when he used it in the prompts you gave.
That’s not the case with Enma as he has had some time to train as well as be taught it’s properties.

He has not yet fully mastered Enma. It's harder to master than the other swords he received.

 

[rerere]

This is not how it works

Zoro himself can feature something better than Asura but claiming he can do it is headcanon

We can posit that by hype Killer can show more, and still meanwhile Zoro is 100% showing Asura and by hype eventually something else either

There's no sense in making Zoro and Killer bashing each other and attacking together at the same time if they are not comparable
You talk about portrayal but ignore the true portrayal

 

[SDfear]

At this point, not until all the other fights start and this rooftop fight either concludes unexpectedly (they lose) or when Onigashima crashes into Wano. Its gotta happen "soon" tbh. We were supposed to get updates this past year outside of Wano and then covid happened, plus Oda just underestimates his chapter counts all the time

COVID did Oda dirty

 

[Chrono]

Zoro fans finally got what they wanted....but at what cost ?

- Killer being potrayed with Zoro whilst the captains are potrayed together

- Killer being shown to be nerfed with Zoro at their fight

- Enma being a PU..... ( "I need to release more of Enma's power"

- Zoro needing Enma to catch up to full health Killer

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Yup

Xebec wasn't evil
He is Dragon but more direct into facing WG
Dragon plays hide and seek while Xebec didn't.

Yeah, I agree
Also, WG are known to change facts! and demonizing people!

Hell, even when some fodder ass marine asked Sengoku "so how did that island disappear, the god vally"?
Sengoku's response was something like "do you want to get into world taboo subject?"
LMAO, that's the escape goat for them... they just don't wanna reveal any shit about their wrong doings!

What surprises me is how some fandom are so hung up on believing marines words after SO MANY WG cover ups and lies! JUST so that their theory of Blackbeard is Next Xebec becomes true... they just disagree with every bone and every fiber in their body just so that Xebec becomes evil, in order to give the parallel of Luffy-BB with Roger-Xebec

 

[WesMidnight]

He hasn't until he shows he can match up Asura. You are talking about payback, but Zoro still stands miles above by both portrayal and hype.

Zoro hasn't shown that Asura is anything more than a pre-skip technique that was a situational finisher and not a massive upgrade in overall strength...

 

[rerere]

Exactly he got one shotted by a nerfed zoro who was poisoned and fighting 2 opponents and lacking a weapon,it doesn't get more fodder than that.

The more you write the more you show yourself as a Caribou, keep going

 

[KiriNigiri]

Luffy holds respect for Katakuri after beating him. That excuse does not work.

I’m not making any excuses. What is there to even excuse? I’m sharing my own interpretation of events we don’t have the full details on.

 

[Tremblay321]

Kaido did not learn his lesson by AGAIN going dragon form. Every time he goes dragon form Kaido takes an L. He should know his fire breath will get countered

 

[Rekien]

But I had Zoro fans tell me Zoro mastered it after a few swings...
Now that Killer is matching Enma Zoro's performance it's a nerf again?

The other guy is simply wrong, Emna is not a nerf..Emna is a powerfull sword, but it seems Zoro is not 100% used to it yet, seeing he is still trying to figure out how much haki he should use with that blade withoud being drained.
:zorothink:
He will likely hurt Kaido more the next time his slash hits.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Kaido is hella badass

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Killer is a monster

 

[Finalbeta]

There's no sense in making Zoro and Killer bashing each other and attacking together at the same time if they are not comparable
You talk about portrayal but ignore the true portrayal

The true portrayal is that Zoro and Luffy have been portrayed as nearly equal folks since the times of Whisky Peak, rest is fluff. Killer doesn't even wield the same level of hype as Kidd.

 

[Red Admiral]

He most likely instinctively thought about the people that were stronger than him in the past. It could be foreshadowing of Oda that Kaido subconsciously sees Luffy surpassing and beating him just like they did in the past.
Shanks is stronger than Oden imo

true
I think that moment is mostly about respecting the people who effect him the most in past


when Luffy mention the straw hat to Shanks name in front of Kaido ... I think that would be a key moment for all Shanks fans

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

But I had Zoro fans tell me Zoro mastered it after a few swings...
Now that Killer is matching Enma Zoro's performance it's a nerf again?

Killer lost bro and was making excuses, but Killer is a monster

 

[Midnight Delight]

Is your name an Overlord reference

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro hasn't shown that Asura is anything more than a pre-skip technique that was a situational finisher and not a massive upgrade in overall strength...

So Zoro has magically lost it? :laughmoji:

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Just read the full summary,

Killer: "If I'd had these blades back then, you'd have been dead."

Zoro: "I still need to release more of Enma's power."


This thread must have been fun. 266 pages already.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

@Cinera

Since i had some Zoro fans complain that i'm not talking about Sanji I'll bring him up for a bit, as i'm interested of how you woud perceive him and the Raid Suit in that regard.

Let's say we have a Sanji using the Raid Suit for a test run first as he did vs Page One. He does not even realize he is going invisible first, is surprised by the boosters, etc.

Then he get's a bit more used to it and he knows pretty well how to use the basic features at will.

Then he learns maybe little tricks to improve his fighting style because of the extra maneuverability/speed/power he can get from the boosters, or ways to combine his CoA with the fabric of the RS for extra durable defense like Katakuri's Hard Mochi.

Then he learns ways to combine his DJ/HM with all of this, and designs his fighting style to incorporate more and more of all the advantages of the RS. Like a "Phantom" fighting style for the invisibility, something for the superior aerial combat now available to him, and so on.

There's something that the Raid Suit puts on the table, and there's mastery over it and making the best out of it as part of one's combat ability. For example Judge was called "The Garuda" because of how good his aerial fighting style way with his Raid Suit, he had great mastery over that.

So can we use these arguments to dismiss the idea that the RS is a free power up, all the same regardless of what it's user does with it ?

Because if you don't get caught in certain details, is it really that different from Enma in terms of opening new doors and avenues to improve ?

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

You know dragon is confirmed to be garp's son right?

And????
certain reveals like this don't give a damn about what was mentioned!

This is like saying "Ace was confirmed to be Luffy's brother" early in story, and not knowing that biologically they are not!