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Imo Kaidou will pull a "this is not even my final form" obviously, widening the gap once again and damaging Luffy most critically nearest to his death ever, thats just to be expected from WSC. but since there was a chapter titled "Decisive Battle of Monsters in Onigashima" before, imo this battle is decisive. I think there will be "Strawhat Luffy vs Hundred Beast Kaidou" happening at rooftop. And if theres that title then imo Luffy will really pull out a win here.7


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What? Luffy didnt train his haki in this battle to become stronger. Luffy controlled it with a technique. Rayleigh said the only way CoC can be stronger is by personal powerlevel growth. And Rayleigh also said Luffy must control CoC to not affect his friends, so it cant be trained but cant be controlled. Those statements were in the same chapter. Do you forget about this?
Omg thats headcanon again he said nothing about it affecting his friends he said it cant be trained thats it ,if he trained to control it then it can be trained.
Use manga facts not headcanon
 
Luffy: i finally understand since you hit me....that Kanabo is coated with CoC !

Kaidou: you mean you had CoC from pre-TS but Rayleigh didnt tell you that Roger can imbue CoC in his attacks for no-touch style? Wow the author was really mean to ya lol
Can't be hand held though, Rayleigh did say haki blooms in hard tough whatever fights.
 
Omg thats headcanon again he said nothing about it affecting his friends he said it cant be trained thats it ,if he trained to control it then it can be trained.
Use manga facts not headcanon


Put in under control. CoC can be controlled. I literally said Rayleigh stated it so you did forget.


Can't be hand held though, Rayleigh did say haki blooms in hard tough whatever fights.
Haki can bloom, but what Luffy did in 1010 was not haki bloom (his CoC getting stronger), but it was controlling his CoC to coat his attack/body whatever, its technique-related.
 


Put in under control. CoC can be controlled. I literally said Rayleigh stated it so you did forget.




Haki can bloom, but what Luffy did in 1010 was not haki bloom (his CoC getting stronger), but it was controlling his CoC to coat his attack/body whatever, its technique-related.
I disagree, wasn't it just finally understanding to us CoC and CoA together.
 
I disagree, wasn't it just finally understanding to us CoC and CoA together.
You have that view since there's Ryuo flashback right? From what i take from that flashback and Luffy not saying about CoA at all, Luffy just use his CoC the same way Hyogoro advised him to flow his CoA. So to flow his CoC if you will. Yea we can disagree about whether its using CoC+CoA or just flowing his CoC, but if its about technique realization then its not haki blooming (haki getting stronger). And for Rayleigh to not mention no-touch style Roger used everytime Roger vs WB happened even when Luffy has CoC since pre-TS, its so much of plot restriction imo.
 
Imo Kaidou will pull a "this is not even my final form" obviously, widening the gap once again and damaging Luffy most critically nearest to his death ever, thats just to be expected from WSC. but since there was a chapter titled "Decisive Battle of Monsters in Onigashima" before, imo this battle is decisive. I think there will be "Strawhat Luffy vs Hundred Beast Kaidou" happening at rooftop. And if theres that title then imo Luffy will really pull out a win here.
Nah winning here would be too easy. I definitely think things will "look" like Luffy is going to win. Maybe he pulls out a new G4 form and pushes Kaido into a corner,

But once that runs out and Kaido unleashes his Awakening? It'd be over imo.
 

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Put in under control. CoC can be controlled. I literally said Rayleigh stated it so you did forget.




Haki can bloom, but what Luffy did in 1010 was not haki bloom (his CoC getting stronger), but it was controlling his CoC to coat his attack/body whatever, its technique-related.
When did i say he cant control it? i said he cant train it which he cant
 
You have that view since there's Ryuo flashback right? From what i take from that flashback and Luffy not saying about CoA at all, Luffy just use his CoC the same way Hyogoro advised him to flow his CoA. So to flow his CoC if you will. Yea we can disagree about whether its using CoC+CoA or just flowing his CoC, but if its about technique realization then its not haki blooming (haki getting stronger). And for Rayleigh to not mention no-touch style Roger used everytime Roger vs WB happened even when Luffy has CoC since pre-TS, its so much of plot restriction imo.
Well It's not like I'm adamant about it being a fusion between CoC and CoA... I'd rather it just be clearer.
 
Omg thats headcanon again he said nothing about it affecting his friends he said it cant be trained thats it ,if he trained to control it then it can be trained.
Use manga facts not headcanon
When did i say he cant control it? i said he cant train it which he cant
:lusalty:you said before if Luffy can control it then he can train it. After that you said when did you say Luffy cant control it.

Well Luffy didnt train it, he just controlled it in chapter 1010, and thats not plot armor at all, its plot restriction instead since Rayleigh suddenly get amnesia from telling Luffy that his captain can actually do this no-touch CoC technique stuff
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Nah winning here would be too easy. I definitely think things will "look" like Luffy is going to win. Maybe he pulls out a new G4 form and pushes Kaido into a corner,

But once that runs out and Kaido unleashes his Awakening? It'd be over imo.
I dont get what would the point of losing here be tbh. We get that previously, Kaidou loldiffed G4 Luffy. Also we get that Kaidou is an incomparable monster who doesnt flinch even after battling 9 scabbards and 5 supernovas and stomping them before Luffy finds CoC tech. We have learn that Onigashima is floating possibly nearing Flower Capital and Kaidou may crush Flower Capital / Wano if he's not stopped etc. If its just for the sake of prolonging the arc and giving Luffy and co a lesson, i think Oda wouldnt reveal CoC tech and give it to Luffy now if thats the case.
 
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I dont get what would the point of losing here be tbh.
There are a million reasons. Mainly because watching the strawhats bounce back from failure is more compelling than just having them breeze through the world's strongest creature. Thats always been the thing that made past arcs so intense. It was watching them fail and then watching them come back from it. As is stands now things feel too easy. Which should not be the case against an Emperor.

Not to mention all the things we haven't seen yet make it very clear that this is not the end. Like Kaido's Flashback or the History of the Rocks Pirates.

On top of that this arc is set up to be a major arc for not just the entire new world but the strawhats themselves. We should expect that they all get their own individual character arcs here and theres no room to do that in Onigaishima. The country Wano itself still has it's own character arc to go through in understanding it's own failings.
 
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There are a million reasons. Mainly because watching the strawhats bounce back from failure is more compelling than just having them breeze through the world's strongest creature. Thats always been the thing that made past arcs so intense. It was watching them fail and then watching them come back from it. As is stands now things feel too easy. Which should not be the case against an Emperor.

Not to mention all the things we haven't seen yet make it very clear that this is not the end. Like Kaido's Flashback or the History of the Rocks Pirates.

On top of that this arc is set up to be a major arc for not just the entire new world but the strawhats themselves. We should expect that they all get their own individual character arcs here and theres no room to do that in Onigaishima. The country Wano itself still has it's own character arc to go through in understanding it's own failings.
Kaido will do something to put Luffy in a Corner sure then Luffy put something new out (maybe a new Gear 4 mode) and even the odds like always. But Luffy and Co cant Lose here if they lose all people in Flower Capital will die. Two things to that: First One Piece is still a Manga aiming for Kids (looking at Dress Rossa the Birdcage could/should have killed some people too but oda didnt do that it isnt his Stil).
Second: Oda dont bring dead people back if all citizens of Flower Capital die they are dead for ever, and again one piece =manga aimng for kids so not gonna Happen.
I know its sometimes frustrating reading one piece then looking at other Mangas and see what they do there but its Odas Story and we should enjoy it as it is. And hey they trained two Years for somethin right and if they allways woud show everthing they got it would be boring to right?
 
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