Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1022 Spoilers Discussion

[Julius]

keep calling this headcanon when all it meant was (no sword no df kaku) is slightly stronger than (no df jyabura).

Their strength was measured in human form, they were all Rokushiki Masters.

There is a whole canon cover story about how CP-9 ended, by your logic Mr.2 is stronger than Mr.1 because he appeared in the story later.

Jabra was the only CP-9 member who could move and use Tekkai at the same time, does that mean something to you?

 

[Finalbeta]

Good thing he in today episode

Gotta check it out

 

[iwaddaread]

It was to indicate their physical strength. As stated. Not use of haki or speed or devil fruit ability kr weaponary usage etc etc

What purpose does that serve to the story? Seems to me that this would only add unnecessary confusion if it isn't a general indicator of their combat prowess. I don't think Oda is too dumb to realize this.

If he intended for Kaku to be so much more powerful than Jyabura, wouldn't he just have given him a higher Doriki, that way there would be no ambiguity?

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

If you really want to get into it, Chopper pointed out, in the same arc, that carnivorous Zoans were more ferocious and had attributes better suited for combat. Jyabura also had the greatest mastery of tekkai in CP9.

But I guess something something sword good, right?

Both cap.

While chopper did state that kakus superior usage tempest kick made up for it in spades along with his usage of sword which are both better than jyubras usage of claws.

Cap. His tekkai isn't better as in more durable. It's just that he developed a kempo to fight while using it. Kakus natural body weight makes him naturally more durable in zoan form

 

[ConquistadoR]

There is a whole canon cover story about how CP-9 ended, by your logic Mr.2 is stronger than Mr.1 because he appeared in the story later.

my logic was kaku is strong enough to end up in cp0 while jyabura wasnt. idk what and from where you drag mr. 1 & mr. 2 in. even then, mr.1 is in the new world with crocodile while mr. 2 is leading the newkamas in impel down.

 

[Lhulu]

@Bango🍅 So redon confirmed Sanjino collapsed?

 

[Abysmal]

Their strength was measured in human form, they were all Rokushiki Masters.

There is a whole canon cover story about how CP-9 ended, by your logic Mr.2 is stronger than Mr.1 because he appeared in the story later.

Jabra was the only CP-9 member who could move and use Tekkai at the same time, does that mean something to you?

Mr1 appeared in new world unlike mr2 tho

 

[Finalbeta]

Doriki is a measure of physical strenght which doesn't account for swordsmanship lethality. Lethality =/= Strenght.

In fact I'm fairly confident the CP9 didn't use Rankyaku to measure their physical strenght.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

What purpose does that serve to the story? Seems to me that this would only add unnecessary confusion. I don't think Oda is too dumb to realize this.

If he intended for Kaku to be so much more powerful than Jyabura, wouldn't he just have given him a higher Doriki, that way there would be no ambiguity?

Why would he need to when as stated in story doriki does not affect devil fruit ability? Or even speed for that matter or abilities in general.

The reason why your point is flawed is that I can reverse your argument and make the claim that all of kakus stats are naturally higher than jyubra because his doriki is higher since your saying dorki doesn't just mean strength

 

[ConquistadoR]

Jabra was the only CP-9 member who could move and use Tekkai at the same time, does that mean something to you?

so? its canon that kaku was stronger.

 

[Julius]

Mr1 appeared in new world unlike mr2 tho

Thats probably because Mr.2 supposed to be dead or imprisioned?

 

[CbShadow]

Oda introduced actual power levels to the story, yet you choose to ignore them entirely - truly, zoro gang is willing to go to any lengths to rationalize their headcanon.

No, you are obsessed with a power level that was used 1 time and only includes physical strength.

 

[Finalbeta]

 

[iwaddaread]

Jesus Christ, you guys are off your nuts on copium trying to rationalize your two piece reading of the story. The author introduced actual power levels and made a showing of two characters being incredibly closely matched, and you guys still manage to believe that one is supposed to be significantly more powerful than the other.

See ya later, I'm going to sleep.

 

[Julius]

my logic was kaku is strong enough to end up in cp0 while jyabura wasnt. idk what and from where you drag mr. 1 & mr. 2 in. even then, mr.1 is in the new world with crocodile while mr. 2 is leading the newkamas in impel down.

Thats because you don't know the story about how CP-9 ended, theres nothing to do with power, especially cuz the gap between Kaku and Jabra is basicly non existant.

"But Kaku wasn't with swords", lmao, is this even an argue?

 

[Rootbeer]

1. thats CoC. the anime literally gave him a separate CoC moment. you think they arent gonna add extra sauce to this scene?

2. the theory is that zoro unknowingly and accidentally imbued ashura with his adv CoC. it is coherent with the other known fact that beasts like big mom and kaido cant be hurt by anything less than adv CoC.

That's not CoC, maybe Oda decided to change it and mentioned it to the anime guys, but its not CoC in the manga..

Its not coherent for Zoro to use AdvCoC when he didn't even use CoC conciously yet..
Its more likely the cursed power(Ashura) of his cursed blade that can damage Kaido.. Its possible that Ashura can be activated due to his will power(CoC)..

What was Ashura then?

The power of inside his cursed blade Sandai Kitetsu.

 

[Abysmal]

Thats probably because Mr.2 supposed to be dead or imprisioned?

Still disproves your argument.

 

[Finalbeta]

Jesus Christ, you guys are off your nuts on copium trying to rationalize your two piece reading of the story. The author introduced actual power levels and made a showing of two characters being incredibly closely matched, and you guys still manage to believe that one is supposed to be significantly more powerful than the other.

See ya later, I'm going to sleep.

:laughmoji:

 

[sanzolu]

3it's funny how people are tryna belittle queen cos oda destroyed their hc with zoro ..anyways queen is the guy who worked with judge and vegapunk . Became a cyborg and did not lose his mind like kuma . Is a fighter saw ryou and Coc being used in udon and causally scoffed at it . Sentomaru who is a guard to vegapunk can use ryou ..one of the few people we saw during pre time use such ability . Anyone related to vegapunk is bound to be famous . Not only that queen is a fighter and is one of kaidos strongest subordinates. Wait for king and queen to show off . Then yall clowns would realise you have being reading the story falsely .

 

[Fn Lucci]

Missing the man so badly

That's why I like manga, the music based characters can't let you down when you can't hear them

What purpose does that serve to the story? Seems to me that this would only add unnecessary confusion if it isn't a general indicator of their combat prowess. I don't think Oda is too dumb to realize this.

If he intended for Kaku to be so much more powerful than Jyabura, wouldn't he just have given him a higher Doriki, that way there would be no ambiguity?

No, he'd give him a fucking sword.