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That's because Hyougoro isn't clairvoyant and doesn't know Momo is actively out there trying to catch/move the island if Luffy wins/hits Kaido.

He's saying if he wins, the island drops and they die. If he loses, the island doesn't drop and they are slaves.
No, in both scenarios they die from Onigashima crashing anyway on the Flower Capital or Kaido killing all the Samurai.. They don't envision a futur where they survive and Kaido is not defeated..
 
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Wait YouTubers other than Morj are saying it?
Brago also said this isn't the end of the fight, that there are still more for Kaido vs Luffy

He is not saying the raid will fail, but that the fight isn't ending with this punch

But Jay D is saying he thinks Kaido goes down
 
Loved this Chapter. Blatant as fuck set-up for raid fail/big loss.

Oda usally ends final fight chapters on a dire note until Luffy wins, but here Oda keeps ending chapters of this fight on hopeful notes.
It's also really fucked up how the people of Wano are just accepting a return to slavery
imagine Wano concluding with them just being freed and not learning to stand up for themselves

Like, that's just not how Oda writes. People in One Piece get rewarded for fighting for their dreams.
The people of Wano need to rebel on their own.
Oda writes the people of the islands being involved in their own stories. While Luffy saves the day, the people of islands go through a collective character arc of wanting to be free, fighting for themselves, not just giving up. Oda just writing the people of this island being like "yup we're stuck in slavery, we're passive and won't try to do anything about it" leads to it being extremely unsatisfying if this is it.
The people of Wano still believe that Kaido is a benevolent loser. Them choosing to fight will only have meaning if they do so after a big loss, when they should believe it's hopeless. They'll choose to fight anyway.

Like, beyond Wano, beyond the people of islands, you have to understand the fundamental way Oda writes. As far back as how Coby only gets helped by Luffy after he stands up to Alvida. Oda universally writes to emphasize themes. Characters get rewarded for their actions being in line with the themes and punished if they aren't. Characters who don't fight for their dreams don't have good things happen to them. Characters who do fight for their dreams are rewarded.

Coby stands up to Alvida. The people of Skypeia pray for freedom. Robin gets saved after she declares she wants to live. The people of Cocoyashi village show up to fight for their freedom. If your point is "Oda doesn't write like this" you aren't paying any attention to how Oda writes.

Like, let my friend outline this. If Luffy wins here, then the people of Wano, who accepted slavery, get freed without any will of their own.

Let's look at it if Luffy loses. It's absolutely possible for Oda to write that loss and still avoid the flower capital falling and killing everyone, obviously that's not going to happen. What happens next? Kaido enacts the plan he talked about to change Wano. Revealing the lie that he was a benevolent ruler to the citizens. And he takes away their one festival, the one bright spot in their life, the thing that makes them think "i can't wait for next year when we do this again." Now they have nothing to look forward to. Now they have nothing left to lose. And with nothing left to lose, they stand up.
The dissonance of the Wano citizens being willing to go back to slavery and everything is so fucking weird that there's actually zero chance that Luffy just defeats Kaido and the next thing we get from them is "oh it's so great that we're free now"

Like literal basic writing and dramatic stakes states that we need to get them actually wanting it, actually feeling the despair of having their last light of hope snuffed out, before we then get the day being saved. That's the thing about raid fail/another big loss. There are so many dramatic beats like this that just feel completely incomplete if this is the final stage of the final battle. It's just literally not how Oda writes, there's zero chance of that not being developed further.

"Well, we still have hope, I hope I'm still alive for the next year's festival" is so on the nose setup.
For them finding out that there won't be one next year
You're coping

Wano never had any tension and won't have it
Time to accept the reality that Oda writing skills went down from No tension to EXTREME no tension
 
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At this point Oda can't find a way to defeat Kaido that's gonna make most people satisfied, that's what i think

so many wild expectations for how Kaido is going down
 
Stop wanking Garp
This chapter hypes Roger who conquered the seas with haki alone
Garp didn't conquer the seas as King nor WSM or WSC . He wasn't even FA.

Even Shanks with haki didn't become PK or WSC _WSM
Which tells you Roger is an exception
 
At this point Oda can't find a way to defeat Kaido that's gonna make most people satisfied, that's what i think

so many wild expectations for how Kaido is going down
He dragged this for way too long. Power ups are supposed to give a person a decisive victory. Kinda like how he did with Zoro and Sanji. Granted this is Kaido but he can't keep giving Luffy powerups then proceed to have him be raped for like half a dozen times
 
The cope and hate is going to be disastrous after the next 2 chapters, mark my words. I have never seen more ridiculous expectations for something so obvious. The chapter virtually spells it all out for you, so how anyone can justify the raid failing or Luffy not winning is beyond stupid to me.
Seriously, if anyone STILL thinks the raid is failing at this point, then they're just in pure denial. It's not happening.
 
yamato should start her reaction channel with momo
oda loves having other characters watch when luffy is showing off
lol
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people don't seem to understand the haki comment correctly
people with strong df still have strong haki
you are literally watching two of the top ones duke it out rn ..... they have dfs
lol


luffy becoming the pirate king implies he must be the one with the strongest will around regardless of his df ability.
 
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This chapter sparks another flame in the community

Kaido will be defeated with the giant punch
Kaido will tank it
Raid will fail
Kaido will awaken
Kaido doesn't have awakening
Kaido already awaken and this the end

All different kinds of hot take around the fandom
This is thrilling ngl

All because Kaido is too much..........
The next few chapters will be the most anticipated, fuck the break.
 
Wooooooaaaa I did not notice on the last page ( thanks color spread ) that Luffy is still grabbing Kaido with his left hand
and at the same time going to punch him with his right fist !!!!

I believed that Luffy were behind the cloud and sent his fist through it .... :okay:
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Wait YouTubers other than Morj are saying it?
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Kidd and Law defeated Big Mom without Advanced Haki
Robin and Franky defeated Haki users without Haki
1) advancing your armament or observation haki isnt exactly a measure of how strong ones haki(willpower) is . More training indicative if anything. luffy could make amazon lily fighters unconscious before he could even "use" haki. did kinemon have stronger haki than luffy cause he could hurt kaido and luffy couldnt?



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how anyone thinks the raid fails is beyond me
kaido's men are down
big mom is down
the raid fails then what another week before they launch an attack again giving kaido's forces time ro recover?

its like folks see what they want not whats in their face . kaido is going down in this raid whether this is the final round
or one more round is needed.
 
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