Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1081, "Kuzan, Captain of the 10th ship of the Blackbeard Pirates"

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Highly doubt the mysterious figure in question is Dragon,

Not only is their ship nothing close to being of pitch black color , but even if it was Dragon's ship it shoud've been characterized by its big ass Dragon figurehead . Which again for anyone putting two and two together would easily realize its identity and the members riding on it.

I'd also reckon Dragon this ship hangs out somewhere around Lodestar and not in Paradise, which has basically been Dragon's base of operations in both instances.
 
The Baltigo incident was due to Burgess being salty about his loss with Sabo. He boarded their ship, then called his crew to raid the base, so they could get more weapons iirc. The one on the black ship, it's possible it's Dragon, but it can also be a new character we haven't seen before. Rocks, Gaban, Dragon, Saul are the best guesses. I kinda support the Dragon theory, but I think it would be better if it's Rocks.
That's an explanation, and the only one we had until recently, what I offered is simply a new one.

I like the one better. Yonkous never even fight among each other, why risk invading the headquarters of the world's most wanted man over a lowly commander being salty he got fodderized? We've recently seen now how forgiving Kurohige is with people fodderizing his commanders (Hancock, Kuzan...) and how little he likes taking risks unless the potential benefit is good enough. And taking on Dragon should be perceived as a big risk regardless of the winner.
 
That's an explanation, and the only one we had until recently, what I offered is simply a new one.

I like the one better. Yonkous never even fight among each other, why risk invading the headquarters of the world's most wanted man over a lowly commander being salty he got fodderized? We've recently seen now how forgiving Kurohige is with people fodderizing his commanders (Hancock, Kuzan...) and how little he likes taking risks unless the potential benefit is good enough. And taking on Dragon should be perceived as a big risk regardless of the winner.
That makes sense. RP being in their ship is probably why they left Baltigo without fighting. They don't want to risk the last one being found by both pirates and WG. Also, Dragon has wind-like power, so making whirlpools at sea with a DF is possible.
 
I already see how this plays out:

A. While garp is fighting aoikiji the other blackbeard pirates start attacking members of Sword.

B. Fodder marines that came with garp and sword now fight the other fodder pirates at full of lead

C. The blackbeard commanders try Jumping garp while he is pummeling aokiji

D. Koby furious begs for assistance in terms of getting his chain uncuffed

E. Prince gruss uses his clay abilities to for a mold of clay in the shape of a key and uses said key to unlocked kobys shackles

F. Koby asks prince gruss and Kuchaku to protect hibari since she is immobile and defenseless and can die if struck while her body is ice. He adds that they have to also assist garp since hibari can only be undone by aoikijis ice if he himself wills it or if he is knocked out by garps attack. With this prince gruss uses his ability to create several golem that protect hibari.

G. Garp tells the rest of sword and the marines to take a ship that's on full of lead and flee.

H. Everyone reluctantly agrees except koby who states that by leaving will be ensuring garps defeat/capture.

I. Helmeppo reminds coby to live on and fight for another day which he told koby at marine Ford with coby stating that if they don't act now then their training for 2 years would have been in vain. We get a flashback with Helmeppo and koby training with garp as they are learning haki with garp telling them what Rayleigh told luffy which is that "haki blooms in battle".

J. With kobys conviction the others (all of the marines present) agree to stay and fight.

K. We see Bogard. He was also on the ship. Commenting on the groups determination

L. We get match ups: (1).Bogard vs shiryu, (2).Koby vs corrupt king, (3).Helmeppo vs Vasco shot, (4). Tashigi, Kuchaku, and Gruss vs Wolf.

M. Swords motive is holding off the commnaders as best as they can long enough for garp to force aoikiji to undo his ice on hibari.

(N). We learn the abilities of sword members:

1. Tashigi knows basic coO and coA hardening along with geppo as well as soru and even has Gentle swordplay. She also took a perfected light saber created from vegapunk.
2. Helmeppo knows basic coO and coA hardening, along with all 6 rokoushiki techniques. He uses Strong swordplay.
3. Gruss knows basic coO and coA hardening, along with his logia clay devil fruit abilities to make many soldiers, weaponry etc.
4. Kuchaku knows basic co0 and coA hardening, along with her paramecia devil fruit that bends inanimate objects to her will once wiped to her.
5. Koby knows advanced coO and basic coA hardening along with all 7 rokoushiki techniques which includes his own variation of the rokougun that he utilizes as punches. He is also able to combine multiple rokoushiki techniques simultaneously with ease.
6. Bogard knows basic coO and advanced coA, along with all 6 rokoushiki techniques along with gentle and strong swordplay. He also carries around and uses smoke bombs

(O). Aokiji and garp are bloodied. Sword members are doing well against the blackbeard commanders.

(P). Corrupt king uses the landscape of the land to try and threaten koby with the idea of crushing hibari showing that he can do so even if gruss clay creatures are protecting hibari.

(Q). Koby is furious and replicates a miniature version of the Galaxy impact garp did in chapter 1080 hitting and completely defeating corrupt king with it. This shocks aoikiji leading him to tell garp "He also has conquerors too? I see why you invest so much in him".

(R). Garp is proud of koby and the ice casing on hibari has been undone. However blackbeard himself along with the other members of his crew has shown up. Garp knowing the severity of the situation is saddened. However we see another marine ship. In it are Smoker, sengoku and xdrake.

(S) . Garp is elated. Smoker uses his fruit to simultaneously collect all of the marines and place them on the ship. Koby and helmeppo are screaming for garp to come with them but blackbeard uses a powerful shockwave against the two. They are both protected by sengoku in his Buddha form.

(T). In the finally of full of lead we see garp attack with another powerful move once more but he is stopped by an invisible shiryu , then quaked by blackbeard and finally frozen by aoikiji for all the marines and sword members to see. Koby and helmeppo cry out garps name
This is the reason people get too attached to their headcanon. These people literally write Two Piece in their head and then get mad when it’s completely different to what Oda writes…
 
Sounds crazy if you generalize it yea. 1 top tier beating another top tier with their entire crew.

In theory it's very doable. Oven would probably be an issue. But not even Katakuri can avoid getting neg diffed with FS, FS is irrelevant to how fast and wide Kuzan's attacks are. He can solo an entire crew in the blink of an eye if he wants, and this is without factoring in a potential awakening.

You have to keep that in mind, if he has awakening it's even more likely he only has Big Mom to worry about, and I'll be damned if I think Big Mom is beating Kuzan.

Blame Oda, not me, that this can be argued.
This was mind blowing:



The man froze an entire fucking sea (connecting islands) in an instant. Absolutely nuts AOE and speed.
 
Kuzan has to be a sword member, but as of now he's the tenth cpt.. Admirals should be able to beat all yc low-mid


Just think, Luffy and Ace would be there if they listened to Garp on being a Marine. This is what Garp wanted, his own justice league. :finally:
 
rocks crew most of have been hella lonely for the crewmates. everyone who left that damn crew wanted to make some sort of family, from whitebeard to kaido. tho I do wonder why captain john didn't. perhaps he was just that much of an asshole
Yea they knew the flaws by being in that kind of organization. This might also be the source of BB's downfall in the future. But I kinda curious to know each of their motivation on why the are being that kind of organization.

On the opposite. Kuzan might even be stronger than before. Kuzan hid behind his Admiral title and never fought for what he believed in. He was lazy and did just enough.

The first time he got serious was against Anainu. But even against Akainu he still fought for fear of what the marines might become and not for what he himself desired. Now under Teach he is free and he fights with the fire of Ohara.

Lazy Aokiji 90 %
Determined Aokiji 95 %
Free Kuzan 100 %
Hmmm thats also true for Kuzan. Kinda curious as of why he joined BB of all people
 
This was mind blowing:



The man froze an entire fucking sea (connecting islands) in an instant. Absolutely nuts AOE and speed.
Actually shilliew is stronger than thatπŸ€“
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This was mind blowing:



The man froze an entire fucking sea (connecting islands) in an instant. Absolutely nuts AOE and speed.
Till this day, no attack topped it in term of aoe:endthis:
 
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@Warine I'm all in for Shiryu hype, as he should be someone special as far as Zoro's opponents are concerned. That being said yeah Shiryu rn being stronger or equal to Kuzan is nonsense, we don't know if Teach beats Kuzan (which if he does it would come down to a matchup thing).

Being able to claim superiority even over a single Admiral is a gigantic task. Oda until now has given us exactly one confirmed instance in the manga where an Admiral lost...and it was at the hands of another Admiral, with the match being extreme diff, a match which lasted 10 days and that all the world watched.

Obviously we have other top tiers too and we rank all those people how we think it's best but the point is, like @ZenZu had said, some people throw around terms like "Admiral level" far too lightly. There's some real disrispect out there lol.
 
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