Chapter Discussion ONE PIECE CHAPTER 1131: LOKI OF THE UNDERWORLD

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@CbShadow

Maybe they will return maybe, they won't return. If Kid returns and teamd up with Loki there's a chance he will fight Zoro since Zoro has already beat Killer and has a track record with beating supernovas.

Law didn't save Zoro. He stated Zoro tanked the attack. People denying manga facts when it comes to Zoro is a normal strategy I see from Zoro haters.
Thinking Zoro is going to fight Kidd more delusional than Zoro killing Kaido.

Kaido -> Big Mom -> Shanks -> Zoro?
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Zoro did NOT TANK HAKAI. He blocked it momentarily before being saved by Law.

Kidd TANKED Ikoku. Why? He was completely exposed all the damage from Ikoku.

Zoro tanked the attack?

Even after blocking Hakai momentarily, he was severely damaged...In no world did he tank Hakai.

Did you just compare Hakai to Elbaph spear?
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Before Kadio and BM performed hakai Kaido asked BM if she still had to power to perform that attack. Kaido fought her for 3 days and split the sky against her yet he wasn't sure she had the power to perform that attack. That attack is beyond skysplitting level. That what Zoro blocked and tanked. Hakai is much more than just twice as strong as Elbaph Spear.

Kid didn't even tank all of Elbaph Spear. We can see the energy from the attack traveling over him while he's falling beneath it.
I'm comparing the manner in which the two characters RECEIVED THE ATTACK.

At no point did Zoro take in the full force of Hakai.



Kidd took 100% of Ikoku. Why are you lying about Kidd taking the Ikoku from Big Mom? The anime literally shows him falling out of the beam??? The manga confirms this as well. The area he was floating in before the attack, was completely destroyed by the attack. It literally shows his metal falling from out of the beam.

And now you're saying his construct took most of the damage? Eustass Kidd's metal blocked ikoku? Lmaoooo



If Kid was as strong as you wish he was he would have been the one blocking and saving everybody from hakai. Instead Kid thanked Zoro for saving him.

Kid fought Big Mom for short amount of time by himself. You know who else did that, Jimbe. He blocked BM attack and knocked her off their ship.

I mention Kid construct because they are weak against powerful cutting and high pressure attacks. That's why he was defeated by Shanks in the instant. It couldn't protect them from Shanks attack.
It's just plot. And Kidd, Law, Luffy all had far more important fights. There's a reason why Kidd, Law, Luffy fought yonko, while Zoro fought scraps.

The jimbe stuff you're talking about is now way comparable to what Kidd was doing. Kidd was fighting big mom 1v1 for some time in an enclosed area. How is that in anyway comparable to knocking her off a ship? Zoro dies in this situation. The only other supernova pulling off this feat is Luffy and possbily law.

Why didn't Oda have Zoro and Sanji/Law fight Big mom? Oda could have done this easily....




My guy...at the Elbaf incident, was Kidd using his metal to defend himself???



Against Shanks, Kid put himself in that situation and he wasn't fast enough to react to Shanks attack. Stop making excuses for his weakness. It's funny because I'm Wano people were claiming Zoro would get oneshot by a yonko. In reality Kid was the one to get oneshot. Well, him and Luffy.
Being quite disingenuous, i see.

Who was Kidd aiming at, the fleet of ships or Shanks?

He was charging his damned punk, preparing to clear the fleet of ships. Hes very clearly locked in during this attack. Shanks attacks him the moment, the damned punk is about to go off.

And yes Zoro 100% gets one shot by the DD alone. If hes in the circumstances as Kidd, charging an attack and not aiming at Shanks, this happens easily. This is not even including the damned punk explosion. The man was almost dying from attacks from KING, and you're telling he would face tank DD...Zorogen at its finest. And you mention Luffy as well..No words for that comment lol.

Yes, the stupid paper cut argument. Kaido never called it so that is headcannon. Zoro beat Kaido in a 1v1 well he was weaken with 20 to 30 broken bones and could barely move. That shits on Kid feats against BM. That was before his in battle growth.

Zoro surpassed Oden by achieving his two greatest feats, scarring Kaido and mastering enma and going beyond Oden capability.
He papercut Kaido. He did not beat Kaido lmfao. How was Kaido after the attack? He couldn't even knock him down, he was completely fine.

Papercutting Kaido isn't a strong feat.

Kidd easily threw Dragon form Kaido. Kidd forced big mom to burn her lifespan. Kidd broke big mom's arm with a hakiless attack. Kidd forced big mom to dodge. He dealt and took the most damage from Big Mom. Big mom was unable to negate the affects of his fruit. His damned punk overpowered Big Mom's soul pocus + acoc. And he got the finishing blow vs Big mom. A large part of this while taking direct damage stabbing via hawkins fruit.

Zoro...did not surpass Oden lmfao. And papercutting...again a meaningless feat. Had zero releveance to the fight. Was Kaido affected by that attack after it had been done? Was it affecting him later on? Absolutely not.

Consistent feats while fighitng a yonko for numerous chapters is far greater than anything Zoro did in Wano. Even Big Mom herself was shocked Kidd could continue fighting. Kidd also fought the longest in the Wano raid next to Luffy. He never took a break.

Zoro scarred King whose harder to damage than Kaido even when he's not in flame mode. Zoro tiger hunt failed to damage King. That attack would have easy to cut through Kaido's scales. Plus he took the requirements needed to master enma, overwhelming haki, and turned it into his own unique fighting style. Oden never did that. Don't try to tell me Oden was always using that amount of haki because we don't see any smoke/flames on his sword which is how you could tell when overwhelming haki is used.

Zoro was controlling a battle against awakening Lucci with just 2 swords. Not 2 sword style, but 2 swords. That's the style he uses when he's facing fodder. Could kid do the same when he's only using two metal fist? No, he couldn't. Awakening Lucci matched G5 Luffy speed and clashed evenly against G5 Luffy. Once Zoro was serious he beat Lucci with 1 attack. It wasn't even a KoH attack. He did to Lucci what Shanks and Kaido did to Kid and Luffy.

What on earth...

FLAME OFF KING IS MORE DURABLE THAN KAIDO?


Base kaido destroys King in every attribute..Please don't tell me you actually believe base Kaido is less durable than King...I have no words lmfao

Could care less about Lucci, Kidd one shots with punk crash, Punk corna dio or damned punk.

Is Kid stronger than BM? Of course not. When did I say King is stronger than BM? I didn't. I use that because I knew you would use Kid wisdom king title that he achieved thanks to bombs that did most his work. Nobody has a problem with Kid beating BM because pf bombs. But the second someone mentions King beating BM and her crew it's a problem. Either a win is a win and it doesn't matter how you win or it's not. You can't pick and choose when it matters based on your favorite character.
Compare these two panels, and see if you can find any differences.





You still don't understand One Piece do you? One piece is not a fighting manga where a character strength is determined solely off the last opponent he fought and beat. It's an adventure manga about different characters journey. Remember, people thought Zoro was veteran level on a rooftop because he didn't have the opportunity to face and beat stronger opponents.

Zoro opponents are all stepping stones to prepare him for Mihawk by helping him remove any weakness and taking his strength to the highest level in all areas.

- Pica showed off his monstrous physical strength
- Kaido and Big Mom showed us his powerful CoA haki and endurance
- King helped Zoro obtain ACoC, showed us his mobility and insane AP
- Kaku shows us his impressive CoO haki
- Lucci showed us his incredible speed and CQC skills
Kidd has already faced characters stronger than what Zoro will face eos lmao. He has already defeated big mom with law, a feat zoro will never have.

And your strength is absolutely related to the opponents you face, especially now, in the end game.

Lets see Zoro has gone from King, Kaku, Lucci

Kidd has gone from Kaido, Big Mom to Shanks.



The gap between the opponents is Kidd has faced and the ones Zoro has faced is astronomical.

The man has fought the same number of Yonko as Luffy.

I knew you wouldn't say anything about the bet. You and I, both know when Kidd returns hes fighting another top tier character. Someone far stronger, than whoever Zoro will face next. Theres a clear pattern with the opponents Kidd faces and the ones Zoro face.


If you're truly confident in what you wrote there, then take the bet. I 100% believe in what I wrote. And I will stand by that, by taking a bet.
 
I am convinced that Loki is one of the 3 special individuals linked to Ancient Weapons.

The first one is the one we all know, Shirahoshi and she commands Poseidon, the god of the Sea.
The second one is Loki who will command Pluton, the god of the Underworld. "Loki of the Underworld."
The third one will be Luffy's sake brother Sabo, the Flame Emperor and he will command Uranus, god of the Sky.
Where does Momo fit into this?
 
Base Kaido-3335
Dragon Kaido-2150
Hybrid Kaido-4005
Flaming drum dragon Lava Laido 100%-4611
G5 Bajrang Gun-4100
G5 White Star Gun-3600
Base Luffy- 300
G2 Luffy- 450
G3 Luffy- 600
G2+3 Luffy- 750
G4 Luffy- 1250
G5 Luffy- 2500
G5 Luffy + FS- 2750
G5 Luffy +Ryuou-2850
G5 Luffy C coating- 2950
G5 Luffy + 3 adv Haki types/- 3500
Kizaru power level - 2527
Aokiji power level- 2725
Awakening Aokiji- 2997
Akainu power level- 2752
Akainu Awakening 100%~ 3157
Akainu 200% Anger mode- 3475
Fujitora power level- 2257
Green bull power level- 2157
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Get cucked cuckffy
 
Man the only one that is speaking with exclamation marks in all the speech panels is the same person speaking in the other panels. How did stephen paul figure this one out?? :shocked:
Didn't think anything of it back then (thought it was just a matter of not wasting more manpower) but I wonder if Loki special bounty is somehow related to Saturn telling the marines to forget about Elbaf
Could be, he pauses so whatever it is there is something important for gorosei/imu at elbaf they are concerned with, which is rare. Kinda similar with Wano and Pluton
 


I wasn't paying too much attention to Hajrudin's panels, but what is this Sunstone thing?
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Painter looks like a very forced translation from Viz.
The Japanese word is ベインター, which could also be translated as Bainter.
Bainter is a construction company that makes hydraulic stuff to lift weight, so I guess Elbaf has a weight -lifting technology that is powered by these sunstones.
 
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I wasn't paying too much attention to Hajrudin's panels, but what is this Sunstone thing?
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Painter looks like a very forced translation from Viz.
The Japanese word is ベインター, which could also be translated as Bainter.
Bainter is a construction company that makes hydraulic stuff to lift weight, so I guess Elbaf has a weight -lifting technology that is powered by these sunstones.
Sunstones were used on overcast days to locate the Sun behind the clouds and orientate yourself on open water.
It's like a crystal that amplifies light when looking through it which helps in locating the Sun in such conditions.
 


I wasn't paying too much attention to Hajrudin's panels, but what is this Sunstone thing?
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Painter looks like a very forced translation from Viz.
The Japanese word is ベインター, which could also be translated as Bainter.
Bainter is a construction company that makes hydraulic stuff to lift weight, so I guess Elbaf has a weight -lifting technology that is powered by these sunstones.
It isn't, the word used is インター, not インター

ベ = be | ペ = pe, so painter is the correct transliteration
 


I wasn't paying too much attention to Hajrudin's panels, but what is this Sunstone thing?
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Painter looks like a very forced translation from Viz.
The Japanese word is ベインター, which could also be translated as Bainter.
Bainter is a construction company that makes hydraulic stuff to lift weight, so I guess Elbaf has a weight -lifting technology that is powered by these sunstones.
I didn't look into the raws because of the painter thing

Seastone and Sunstone really sound similar tho in pronunciation , wonder if it also has special properties regarding DFs, maybe even amplifying them as a counter part to seastone
 
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