Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1148 Spoilers Discussion

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Oda considered this an important question to answer.

Nah bro clearly he's below the Admirals he won't be that strong trust me bro

 

[RayanOO]

I understand but Shamrock has the regen and a sword with a Mythical Zoan in it plus whatever DF and Haki abilities he has
Plus he's likely going to fight Shanks or another top tier

Good for Sham but admirals have busted logia, end war purpose / fights and great feats all over the board. And they have been important characters in the story and since the beginning.

Yeah Shamrock will likely fight someone strong and lose. That doesn’t put him above Admirals. That put him at top tier level and around admiral but nothing above. Maybe I’ll change my mind later, nothing is written. But for now, from what I understand of his narrative and importance (less than Garling) he can’t be a super monster and among the very strongest top tiers. He is middle pack one

 

[soupongo]

Jesus yall really overrate the Admirals here lol

why though. Most of the characters on that spread aren't strong

 

[MarineHQ]

Oda considered this an important question to answer.

The same amount of hype as Smoothie. Impressive.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Holy Knight scaling is pretty confusing

Gunko incapacitated the Strawhats including Jinbei pretty quickly but she’s also gimmicky as fuck

We’ll have to see how they fare against opponents that can counter their regen

The problem is we don’t really know where to scale Gaban either so it’s almost impossible to put them in any bracket

Idk

Gaban is below Loki and Shanks by transitive reasoning

Gaban should scale relative to Rayleigh based on their portrayal to Zoro/Sanji.

Old Rayleigh and thus Gaban aren’t as strong as Old Garp (who constantly trains every day) by respective feats against admirals.

Rayleigh and Gaban should scale into the “low top tier” range all things considered.

Sommers getting done like this by Gaban puts him below YC1 range since even Kuri Luffy wasn’t done this badly by Kaido

 

[Roo]

I wouldn’t be shocked tbh. The Power of Love showing up this late in the story imo means that it’s a power that not everyone can use so it needs some kinda bloodline element

Do you think Judge gave the same bloodline elements to his children as well, and Sanji is the only one who can unlock it becasue he’s not a sociopath?

 

[soupongo]

They can? Like that’s literally what Stussys whole character was about?

Stussy isn't a seraphim

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Ehhh there are 2 things wrong with this

1. Ray and Garp have ACoC and Gaban (as far as we know) doesn’t which is a pretty big deal when they’re all fruitless

2. Not sure I believe any of them are on par with Kizaru currently. They’re too old

1. Gaban has shown that that’s not really a problem since he has his own ability that allows him to overpower immortality (and cause devastating whirlpools)
2. Oda having sentomaru say Kizaru couldn’t get past Rayleigh and that Kizaru then had to go vent his rage cause of it leads me to believe that they’re about that level.

 

[Welkin]

Old Ray kept up with Kizaru
Old Gaban is right behind them in strength
The gap varies according to your agenda

and Jinbe's capturing was rather a strategic move from him
He wanted some time to think

That’s why I said Gunko’s gimmicky

Jinbei lost but once you know the gimmick how strong is she really? We have no idea

Rayleigh > or >= Gaban (dunno how big the gap is)

But the HK’s are in flux right now. I don’t know if it’s fair to scale them when they clearly have counters that we don’t know about yet

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Okay, still 3
Imu
Eos Luffy
Blackbeard

You got Ryokugyu > Sakazuki?

 

[soupongo]

Hail the Arabs for this

thank you sir

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Do you think Judge gave the same bloodline elements to his children as well, and Sanji is the only one who can unlock it becasue he’s not a sociopath?

I think soras bloodline was the one that had it and the only reason Sanji was born normal was because Sora having that latent power to save one of them and fate just chose Sanji.

EOS though, I think Sanji will free his brother’s emotions eventually

 

[kekaro]

we need more waban tags one tag cant handle it @mods

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Stussy isn't a seraphim

Seraphim’s Are clones. Just like stussy.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

They may not be stronger than Akainu tho

Yall ain’t ready for Ryokugyu when his fruit is amped by the sweet sweet nutrients present in all magma.

 

[vikas]

Bro even the old gen giants are trash

 

[SakazukiTheFist]

Jesus yall really overrate the Admirals here lol

No we don't. It's the opposite.

As soon as Dragon said he would need to fight the HK's, people were already claim the Admirals were powercliffed and were the Tobbiropos of the final saga.

It's always been like this:

 

[vikas]

Everyone is so pathetic in this chapter except Gaban

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I think soras bloodline was the one that had it and the only reason Sanji was born normal was because Sora having that latent power to save one of them and fate just chose Sanji.

EOS though, I think Sanji will free his brother’s emotions eventually

Kizaru and Rayleigh stopped fighting after Kuma teleported the SH

The “vent his rage” thing is a meme and Kizaru was probably just trying to save face for the pay check

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Good for Sham but admirals have busted logia, end war purpose / fights and great feats all over the board. And they have been important characters in the story and since the beginning.

Yeah Shamrock will likely fight someone strong and lose. That doesn’t put him above Admirals. That put him at top tier level and around admiral but nothing above. Maybe I’ll change my mind later, nothing is written. But for now, from what I understand of his narrative and importance (less than Garling) he can’t be a super monster and among the very strongest top tiers. He is middle pack one

You know I respect you enough to not really care about arguing on this
But I still think I'm right on this. I guess we'll see eventually

why though. Most of the characters on that spread aren't strong

Kuzan I'm not certain about, he likely just stalemates him
Imu wins for certain
Dragon has a 99% chance of winning
Garling has a 99% chance of winning
Can't remember what other top tiers were on there. Think it was Sakazuki and Shamrock right? They win too.