Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1151 Spoilers Discussion

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TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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How do you rank the Akatsuki? My list goes like this:

1. Obito
2. Nagato/Pain
3. Itachi
4. Kisame
5. Orochimaru
6. Sasori/Deidara
7. Deidara/Sasori
8. Zetsu
9. Konan
10. Kakuzu
11. Hidan
You'll have to convince me on Zetsu, Konan and Kakuzu lmfaoooooooo

I'm apart of the Deidara >= Sasori camp as well. I think the Sasori > Deidara PoV is very unfounded, without looking into the context of why Deidara said what he said.

My list looks more like;
  1. Obito
  2. Itachi / Pein
  3. Pein / Itachi
  4. Orochimaru
  5. Hoshigaki Kisame, Sultan of Suiton, Monster of the Hidden Mist
  6. Deidara
  7. Sasori
  8. Kakuzu
  9. Konan
  10. Hidan
  11. Zetsu
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me


Kakuzu is an absolute monster. Physical specimen, S rank elemental affinity with multiple elements. Elite in close range, medium range, and long range, decades of experience as a shinobi since Hashirama's era. And best of all Doton Domu gives him a diamond lvl durability, meaning no physical attack can hurt him. Did I mention he's pseudo immortal? Nobody outside of bs eye power users can stop this man.
 
I'm taking it from a meta perspective of, Kishimoto really respects Kisame and is making the audience recognize this.

I def wish we got more from Itachi than "So Kisame's dead, eh?". But at the same time, Itachi pre-death was an ego maniac. He thought he could mind control Sasuke into being good, not only that it'd work but it was the best option for Sasuke. So I kinda get it, Itachi's a little preoccupied and fucked in the head.
Oh yeah, thats true. His death relates to what Ibiki said way back in the fucking chunin exams about the importance of intel in the ninja world, though the series obviously didnt end up being like that.

I really doubt Itachi was getting close to anyone after leaving Konoha, I mean, how could he. In the (probably non canon) Novels, theres a part where he is partially glad that Shisui commited suicide basically, because he could tell his more moderate position would lead to conflict between them, and Itachi probably would have to finish him off. He would definitely view Kisame in the same way, just without affection really. I think a lot of people miss what the old hokages meant when they said Itachi always thought like a great ninja since he was young lol, it means he was willing to do the job, shut up about it, and not think about it anymore.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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You'll have to convince me on Zetsu, Konan and Kakuzu lmfaoooooooo

I'm apart of the Deidara >= Sasori camp as well. I think the Sasori > Deidara PoV is very unfounded, without looking into the context of why Deidara said what he said.

My list looks more like;
  1. Obito
  2. Itachi / Pein
  3. Pein / Itachi
  4. Orochimaru
  5. Hoshigaki Kisame, Sultan of Suiton, Monster of the Hidden Mist
  6. Deidara
  7. Sasori
  8. Kakuzu
  9. Konan
  10. Hidan
  11. Zetsu
Sasori/Kakuzu/Deidara can be an open discussion for me. Those three places are fairly malleable because they each have their own advances over the other. Like, if Kakuzu scrambles his hearts early on, I think Deidara is in trouble and getting swarmed a lot. If not? I think Deidara takes it home.
 
This isn't One Piss.
Naruto Part 1 scaling is objectively whackier than pre-TS OP scaling. Give Oda some credit. Let’s list off just some Part 1 oddities:

1. Kakashi can’t use his 3T Sharingan for more than 5 minutes without being bedridden for a week
2. Kakashi can only use Raikiri 4 times max before bottoming out, but could casually summon like 100 Shadow Clones in the Land of Waves despite stating he’s basically out of chakra.
3. The Byakugan being > the Sharingan
4. Hiruzen being > Hashirama and Tobirama
5. Minato being > all other Hokage
6. Haku being stated multiple times to be > Kakashi, despite getting low diffed by Naruto just barely tapping into the Kyuubi’s chakra (didn’t even manifest a tail)
7. Chapter 1 Naruto straight up beating a Chunin and then immediately being reverted to being below most Genin
 
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