Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1154 Spoilers Discussion
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1 - You know why he wasn't a Yonko? Because there weren't 4 pirate organizations that split the New world. There were Roger Pirates so maybe the better term would be Ni-Kou instead of Yon-kou... In the end, he is the same as the Emperors, leader of the greatest pirate organization.
2 - Dumb argument, literally based on Oda's preference of removing old Emperors to put in place new ones. Wait after WG war and see how many Emperors and how many Admirals fell from this point onwards, it will literally be a reversed situation.
3 - It is the same thing, lol. Yonkos arent seeing each other in decades, they are not seeing Admirals in decades either. I will tell you in #5 why this is a dumb argument the more you push it...
4 - It gets dumber and dumber, truly...
5 - Marineford war was fought with intent to kill. Why are all the Whitebeard pirates still alive(WB/Ace aside)? Huh bro?During the entire war are you telling me the mighty admirals couldn't kill anyone? Do you understand why this gets dumber the more you push it?
Are you new to Oda's way of telling the story?
Eras are defined by the greatest pirates, they are the top dogs of this show. Literally, all World's Strongest are Emperors.
Admirals have several tiers of superiors, both rankwise and power wise. They are not comparable to Emperors and never will be.
3 Admirals together are used just to stop a shockwave from one Emperor's attack...
The entire might of Marines was lined up against a single Emperor...
Idk how you don't get these things that are quite clear. Agenda?
He is not above them...
He is literally below Kaido, one of the Yonko...
Rocks ruled the seas, yes because the Yonko weren't in their prime at that time yet.
2 - Dumb argument, literally based on Oda's preference of removing old Emperors to put in place new ones. Wait after WG war and see how many Emperors and how many Admirals fell from this point onwards, it will literally be a reversed situation.
3 - It is the same thing, lol. Yonkos arent seeing each other in decades, they are not seeing Admirals in decades either. I will tell you in #5 why this is a dumb argument the more you push it...
4 - It gets dumber and dumber, truly...
5 - Marineford war was fought with intent to kill. Why are all the Whitebeard pirates still alive(WB/Ace aside)? Huh bro?During the entire war are you telling me the mighty admirals couldn't kill anyone? Do you understand why this gets dumber the more you push it?
Are you new to Oda's way of telling the story?
Eras are defined by the greatest pirates, they are the top dogs of this show. Literally, all World's Strongest are Emperors.
Admirals have several tiers of superiors, both rankwise and power wise. They are not comparable to Emperors and never will be.
3 Admirals together are used just to stop a shockwave from one Emperor's attack...
The entire might of Marines was lined up against a single Emperor...
Idk how you don't get these things that are quite clear. Agenda?
He is not above them...
He is literally below Kaido, one of the Yonko...
Rocks ruled the seas, yes because the Yonko weren't in their prime at that time yet.
Yeah I meant yt/discord/reddit. Back when I was active in the OP community there at least.
Outside of here, admiral fans had a soft spot for Zoro fans actually since they united over Shanks/Luffy hatred. Some of them still do but they've kind of split ways mostly cause of Zoro fans deciding to wank other characters (including Yonkos) and admiral fans starting to downplay Mihawk cause of Aramaki's black blade
Outside of here, admiral fans had a soft spot for Zoro fans actually since they united over Shanks/Luffy hatred. Some of them still do but they've kind of split ways mostly cause of Zoro fans deciding to wank other characters (including Yonkos) and admiral fans starting to downplay Mihawk cause of Aramaki's black blade
If Blackbeard beats Shanks theory comes true, Shanks kinda feels like classic big bad antagonist in manga or video game, who does nothing but sending his minions/allies only to make the protagonist stronger, and only waiting at his palace (final dungeon).
Except now the role is reversed, Shanks is the good guy and Teach is the bad guy.
Ace, Whitebeard, and remnants of Whitebeard all already interacted and somewhat acted as Shanks' allies. Red Hairs did nothing when each of them got defeated by Blackbeard and make him growing stronger.
Except now the role is reversed, Shanks is the good guy and Teach is the bad guy.
Ace, Whitebeard, and remnants of Whitebeard all already interacted and somewhat acted as Shanks' allies. Red Hairs did nothing when each of them got defeated by Blackbeard and make him growing stronger.
@Topi Jerami another reason might be.... Shanks isn't actually looking to fight him. He knows the prophecy that Teach is this evil dude who can't be beaten by anyone but Nika himself. That's why he asks Whitebeard to call Ace back instead of encouraging him to end Teach once and for all or going and doing the job himself. He's just tracking Teach so Teach doesn't do something that might put the prophecy in peril. This is extremely likely too.
I didnt understand the Admiral and Sword fandom alliance, if it can be called that. I didnt even understand the Shanks and Luffy hate from Zoro fans, I guess it was just Shanks and Luffy fans shitting on Mihawk and Zoro that gave the common enemy for Admiral and Sword alliance. It took time for sword fans to realize that they respect and honor strength. And no Admiral or WG guy has been given a title of strength. I think BM is the only Yonko that Sword fandom doesnt respect. Scratch that, there are too many opinions in Sword fandom against each other.
I agree, he was on the right track and fucked up. I guess it wouldn’t make sense for Doffy to still be undefeated and Dressrosa liberated by the time we get to Wano. He also wanted for BM to go down alongside Kaido.
Honestly, he tried kind of nerfing Law with him trying to survive against Doffy/Fuji. Law should have definitely landed the finishing blow to Doffy. That would have been the best writing decision, he was just afraid of Luffy getting overshadowed especially with a new gear revealed at the time.
Honestly, he tried kind of nerfing Law with him trying to survive against Doffy/Fuji. Law should have definitely landed the finishing blow to Doffy. That would have been the best writing decision, he was just afraid of Luffy getting overshadowed especially with a new gear revealed at the time.
His biggest worry not being Teach himself but Teach finding the One Piece before him or Nika disrupting the prophecy might be a reason too. It doesn't make sense now but I am 100% sure we're missing some important context which might make this situation make a lot more sense. It's an unfinished story after all and both these characters are quite mysterious.
Yeah it was because Shanks vs Mihawk and Luffy vs Zoro being huge debates (still is). But it was only in Wano when the alliance happened because:
1) Admiral fandom wasn't as big prior to Wano and it become very huge in Wano
2) Agendapiece reached its peak
3) Both fanbases wanted ZKK (Zoro fans wanted this to hype Zoro and admiral fans wanted this to slander Kaido since losing to an underling would be embarrassing in their eyes)
4) Shanks/Luffy stan's being the common enemy
After ZKK failed though, Zoro fans left the alliance because they realised Aramaki was an absolute bum and then the admiral fans quit on Zoro fans for revenge or whatever
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Yeah it was because Shanks vs Mihawk and Luffy vs Zoro being huge debates (still is). But it was only in Wano when the alliance happened because:
1) Admiral fandom wasn't as big prior to Wano and it become very huge in Wano
2) Agendapiece reached its peak
3) Both fanbases wanted ZKK (Zoro fans wanted this to hype Zoro and admiral fans wanted this to slander Kaido since losing to an underling would be embarrassing in their eyes)
4) Shanks/Luffy stan's being the common enemy
After ZKK failed though, Zoro fans left the alliance because they realised Aramaki was an absolute bum and then the admiral fans quit on Zoro fans for revenge or whatever
Bruh, the whole prophecy doesn't make many sense. Screw prophecy
Without Shiryu around, Teach was already game over by Magellan's hands. Low diffed. Sure, fate played along with this scenario.
The whole "only Nika can beat him" doesn't make sense. Teach is not an immortal being who can't die even if he got poisoned, sunken to sea etc. There are plenty of ways to kill him actually.
Without Shiryu around, Teach was already game over by Magellan's hands. Low diffed. Sure, fate played along with this scenario.
The whole "only Nika can beat him" doesn't make sense. Teach is not an immortal being who can't die even if he got poisoned, sunken to sea etc. There are plenty of ways to kill him actually.
Yeah Teach should have died in Impel but I'd argue this is even a bigger argument for the prophecy. Like Mihawk said, Luffy's most dangerous ability is to make everyone around him allies. And these allies bail Luffy out from situations he should not come out of alive.
Teach should have also died in Impel but fate made sure Shiryu was released at the same time and he became Teach's ally because he may also have a similar ability to Luffy for making allies.
Personally, I'm not fan of this fate shit at all. This prophecy bs is very cliche and ruins the story which is about seizing your own dreams by your own efforts. However, Oda has gone down this terrible route so a lot of PIS stuff can be chalked down to it... sadly.
Teach should have also died in Impel but fate made sure Shiryu was released at the same time and he became Teach's ally because he may also have a similar ability to Luffy for making allies.
Personally, I'm not fan of this fate shit at all. This prophecy bs is very cliche and ruins the story which is about seizing your own dreams by your own efforts. However, Oda has gone down this terrible route so a lot of PIS stuff can be chalked down to it... sadly.
Yeah he would have had to build up three villains until Wano and then defeat them together and that would become too long of a saga without any real wins for the heroes.
Landing the finishing blow would have been great. Just let Doffy stand back up like Kata did at end of fight before Luffy and then have Law deal a finishing blow (an unnamed attack would be good). Instead we get Luffy standing and watching as Law claims that Doffy is his and delivers counter shock and suddenly Doffy is standing saying he reconstructed his organs and Law lying on the floor covering his face saying Damnit Damnit. And then Luffy comes in as the savior and then we get Doffy and Luffy reveal a whole new level of power.
Landing the finishing blow would have been great. Just let Doffy stand back up like Kata did at end of fight before Luffy and then have Law deal a finishing blow (an unnamed attack would be good). Instead we get Luffy standing and watching as Law claims that Doffy is his and delivers counter shock and suddenly Doffy is standing saying he reconstructed his organs and Law lying on the floor covering his face saying Damnit Damnit. And then Luffy comes in as the savior and then we get Doffy and Luffy reveal a whole new level of power.
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