Not so fast @ZenZu
It's better we accept Rootbeer is a man ahead of his time like Jesus and Mohammed
It's better we accept Rootbeer is a man ahead of his time like Jesus and Mohammed
So that we can have a civil discussion from the get go
I'm not here to debate Mihawk vs Shanks, this is not Mihawk downplay.
Thread is more concerned with the concept of Swordsmanship
Let's start with the facts;
@Rootbeer is too advanced for us average plebs to comprehend
WSS path, PK path, the charts, Bougya and all other concepts are like technology from the Ancient Kingdom we are yet to discover
I don't think Rootbeer is trying to downplay Zoro or slander Sword fans on purpose, but there's one critical concept he can't wrap his head around;
This is a teenager manga, and no matter how you much you cope, Roger is stronger than Mihawk (healthy Oldbeard >). Anyway, point is
-Roger reached the pinnacle of haki and human strength
-Roger did not reach the pinnacle of swordsmanship
The fact that Roger doesn't have a black blade makes him a lesser swordsman than Mihawk, but he's still undoubtedly stronger.
Mihawk having hype over Roger is a silly concept that can only be laughed at, especially when even his RHM is portrayed to be stronger than current gen pirates.
To create a blackblade you need to 'treat every nick on the sword as a mark of shame' not really something characterstic of an idiot like Roger
These terms are kinda funny so I'm gonna keep using them in this post
PK path = being an idiot Gary Sue with naturally hax CoC who just prefers to swing using a weapon
WSS path = being a character who trained legitimately to attain his strength
Mihawk and Zoro set out to sea to become strong swordsmen, Roger did it for adventure
We already saw characters wielding swords whom do not classify themselves as swordsmen such as King and Daz Bones
So it really boils down to what these characters are pursuing, whether its the pinnacle of swordsmanship or strength in general
Mihawk for example showed no interest in fighting non swordsmen, he has all the time in the world to do so but he's simply waiting for swordsmen capable of dueling him
Roger never even fought a swordsman as far as we know, his list of rivals includes Garp, Whitebeard, Sengoku and Xebec
He is an easygoing buffoon who out for the typical adventure
The swordsman narrative on the other hand, with noteworthy top tiers like Zoro, Mihawk and Ryuma being at the helm, is filled with edgy stoic and ruthless characters who speak of Swordsman codes and the like
If anything I think it takes away from the prestige of Swordsmanship
In our Shonen narrative foil this is what a ship captain represents
Naturally this doesn't mean 'PK path' can't have elite sword skills or the 'WSS path' having ACoC
Sword skills is a term that also includes the basic coating of swords but that's really about as far as we know.
When it comes to raw power, then physical strength, Sword quality, skill, CoA and CoC are all equally important
Before look into these attacks lets establish some quick facts
-Zoro's ACoC is weaker than Shanks/ Roger
-Flame off King's durability is leagues above Oden and Midd
So we got Zoro launching the brute of his power along with his KoH haki outburst onto King, resulting in King getting cooked on the spot
Whereas Roger and Shanks with their Divine Departure leave no trace on inferior specimen like Oden and Midd
Do I mean that Mihawk is fraud? Not really, his portrayal is still sublime, it is just that I think using his title and gifting Shanks feats is absurd, especially when Oda's pet is bound to look absolutely perfect at almost every scene, which will always make it hard for Mihawk to outshine him on panel.
Zoro is a different story and I think it is gonna be easy to identify him as a top 5 of all time
Roger is one thing, but Mihawk is at the very least equal to Shanks imo, and I don't have to use something that can be potentially vague as his title.
-Wields the strongest blade in the story, with black blades getting hype from Ryuma
-Being Zoro's end goal connects WSS with RHM of PK, a title with enough reputation to make a yonko's life flash before his eyes
-Being a rival and friend to Shanks, to the point where Mihawk mocks him for being a one armed has been
-Bounty of 3.6bil as a commander
Etc
This can be interpreted in multiple ways
-Why didn't Brannew just outright state that Mihawk is someone stronger than Shanks, but instead only highlighted swordskills
-The fact that Shanks was mentioned in the bounty report is enough to conclude the discussion
Oda ofcourse doing dogshit work with these kind of details, it boils down to the entire narrative of powerlevels at the end of the day and I think I made a pretty solid argument when comparing Roger and Mihawk
So this is basically something I had in mind for a while, and I told Rootbeer at some point that his charts are nothing but flat earther nonsense but that I get the general gest of what he's trying to say, let's see if a more constructed breakdown from a narrative viewpoint can make him change some of his views like Zoro lacking ACoC
It ain't easy reading this manga
Thoughts?
I'm not here to debate Mihawk vs Shanks, this is not Mihawk downplay.
Thread is more concerned with the concept of Swordsmanship
Let's start with the facts;
@Rootbeer is too advanced for us average plebs to comprehend
WSS path, PK path, the charts, Bougya and all other concepts are like technology from the Ancient Kingdom we are yet to discover
I don't think Rootbeer is trying to downplay Zoro or slander Sword fans on purpose, but there's one critical concept he can't wrap his head around;
This is a teenager manga, and no matter how you much you cope, Roger is stronger than Mihawk (healthy Oldbeard >). Anyway, point is
-Roger reached the pinnacle of haki and human strength
-Roger did not reach the pinnacle of swordsmanship
The fact that Roger doesn't have a black blade makes him a lesser swordsman than Mihawk, but he's still undoubtedly stronger.
Mihawk having hype over Roger is a silly concept that can only be laughed at, especially when even his RHM is portrayed to be stronger than current gen pirates.
To create a blackblade you need to 'treat every nick on the sword as a mark of shame' not really something characterstic of an idiot like Roger
These terms are kinda funny so I'm gonna keep using them in this post
PK path = being an idiot Gary Sue with naturally hax CoC who just prefers to swing using a weapon
WSS path = being a character who trained legitimately to attain his strength
Mihawk and Zoro set out to sea to become strong swordsmen, Roger did it for adventure
We already saw characters wielding swords whom do not classify themselves as swordsmen such as King and Daz Bones
So it really boils down to what these characters are pursuing, whether its the pinnacle of swordsmanship or strength in general
Mihawk for example showed no interest in fighting non swordsmen, he has all the time in the world to do so but he's simply waiting for swordsmen capable of dueling him
Roger never even fought a swordsman as far as we know, his list of rivals includes Garp, Whitebeard, Sengoku and Xebec
He is an easygoing buffoon who out for the typical adventure
The swordsman narrative on the other hand, with noteworthy top tiers like Zoro, Mihawk and Ryuma being at the helm, is filled with edgy stoic and ruthless characters who speak of Swordsman codes and the like
If anything I think it takes away from the prestige of Swordsmanship
In our Shonen narrative foil this is what a ship captain represents
Naturally this doesn't mean 'PK path' can't have elite sword skills or the 'WSS path' having ACoC
Sword skills is a term that also includes the basic coating of swords but that's really about as far as we know.
When it comes to raw power, then physical strength, Sword quality, skill, CoA and CoC are all equally important
Before look into these attacks lets establish some quick facts
-Zoro's ACoC is weaker than Shanks/ Roger
-Flame off King's durability is leagues above Oden and Midd
So we got Zoro launching the brute of his power along with his KoH haki outburst onto King, resulting in King getting cooked on the spot
Whereas Roger and Shanks with their Divine Departure leave no trace on inferior specimen like Oden and Midd
Do I mean that Mihawk is fraud? Not really, his portrayal is still sublime, it is just that I think using his title and gifting Shanks feats is absurd, especially when Oda's pet is bound to look absolutely perfect at almost every scene, which will always make it hard for Mihawk to outshine him on panel.
Zoro is a different story and I think it is gonna be easy to identify him as a top 5 of all time
Roger is one thing, but Mihawk is at the very least equal to Shanks imo, and I don't have to use something that can be potentially vague as his title.
-Wields the strongest blade in the story, with black blades getting hype from Ryuma
-Being Zoro's end goal connects WSS with RHM of PK, a title with enough reputation to make a yonko's life flash before his eyes
-Being a rival and friend to Shanks, to the point where Mihawk mocks him for being a one armed has been
-Bounty of 3.6bil as a commander
Etc
This can be interpreted in multiple ways
-Why didn't Brannew just outright state that Mihawk is someone stronger than Shanks, but instead only highlighted swordskills
-The fact that Shanks was mentioned in the bounty report is enough to conclude the discussion
Oda ofcourse doing dogshit work with these kind of details, it boils down to the entire narrative of powerlevels at the end of the day and I think I made a pretty solid argument when comparing Roger and Mihawk
So this is basically something I had in mind for a while, and I told Rootbeer at some point that his charts are nothing but flat earther nonsense but that I get the general gest of what he's trying to say, let's see if a more constructed breakdown from a narrative viewpoint can make him change some of his views like Zoro lacking ACoC
It ain't easy reading this manga
Thoughts?
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