This excuse got shot down when Oda made Silver Axe Shiki’s rival. Ochoku was also grouped with those 2 and was still an active pirate even after WB died, yet was placed below WB, Kaido, and BM
Yes Sengoku was to Shiki what Garp was to Roger. Don't act daft.
Big Mom was never a part of the equation when the old legends were in their primes, and she is only a few years younger than WB. She was definitely in her prime as well, just not the late stage of her prime.
That's complete bs, none of those legends ever reference Big Mom as their rival. Not Garp, not WB, not Sengoku. The story makes it very clear when those guys were at their primes they were clearly the top dogs. Big Mom only became a top dog once they died or got old.
Clearly was ,this is after he beat marco
Bm wasnt a yonko when shiki fought roger,shiki also went into hiding after he lost to roger then garp sengoku
Bm was lucky
Yes Sengoku was to Shiki what Garp was to Roger. Don't act daft.
Big Mom was never a part of the equation when the old legends were in their primes, and she is only a few years younger than WB. She was definitely in her prime as well when, just not the late stage of her prime.
Big Mom didn’t even have all of her Homies yet by then. Big Mom was focusing on building up her crew at that time by having as many children as possible. She didn’t reach her peak as a pirate captain until most of her children came of age
Actually her always being a monster is the exact point I'm making. We can reference Big Mom to scale Shiki.
>We know Big Mom is a born monster, she's not a late bloomer.
>We know Big Mom is only 6 years apart from WB
>We know Roger, WB, Shiki, Garp, Sengoku never considered her a rival like they did with each other.
She clearly ran the seas when those guys retired, got old, or died off. This is made pretty clear based off everything we know.
Actually her always being a monster is the exact point I'm making. We can reference Big Mom to scale Shiki.
>We know Big Mom is a born monster
>We know Big Mom is only 6 years apart from WB
>We know Roger, WB, Shiki, Garp, Sengoku never considered her a rival like they did with each other.
She clearly ran the seas when those guys retired, got old, or died off. This is made pretty clear based off everything we know.
Can you blame me ?
Minato Made flying raijin jutsu his signature which helped Tobirama beat an Uchiha.
Devised Rasengan looking at Tailed beast.
Clowned Nine tails until sacrificing himself.
Bro is a menace.
Even sarutobi knew it.
Tobirama created the most busted jutsus in the verse
It was his Flying Raijin which was improved by Minato (the thing that gave Minato the hype)
It was his Summoning of Dead which was improved by Orochimaru/Kabuto and was the single biggest source of power for the enemy in 4th Ninja War
It was his Multiple Shadow Clone which became the MCs top 2 jutsu (Rasengan and Shadow Clone)
It was his Infinite Explosive Tag which was used by Konan to beat Obito I think
Not really into the Naruto power scaling thing but I dont like Tobirama disrespect. One of the best chars imo, a true genius and probably one of the most well rounded fighters we got. He got shoved because he was not narratively important in the rebirth thing and had no connection to the MC.
Oda doesn't give a rat's ass about this, stop acting like he does. Oda treats Big Mom's reign as part of the middle generation with characters far younger than herself. Shiki is portrayed as a bigger threat than BM when she was middle aged.
He has a point @ZenZu those guys had strong established crews and organisations backing them up whereas BM was a fledgeling empire that we were told explicitly relied on her growing up through family connections.
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