Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1159 Spoilers Discussion

[soupongo]

Just look at the pre TS.

The Government was Machiavellian, the end justifying the means, but It was not this fucking plain absurd evil.

Gorosei were even sad they had to destroy Ohara. Now they would probably laugh about It lol.

And in Egghead itself, Saturn was willing to show mercy to Bonney if she stood out of the way, Mars actually did end up saving cipher pol, and Warcury brought up casualties before Imu tried nuking Lulusia

The only Gorosei I can imagine doing a generic evil laugh would be like, rat sama's Papa. Which yeah, he sucks

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Ray is not beating Garling

He better not get in front of angry Rayleigh or else he is becoming cripple like Shanks

 

[Don Diego]

I wonder if the day will come when we learn
why Garp chose the path of a Marine.
And more than that — why he walked it to the very end,
despite witnessing horrors like those at God Valley.

Was it to protect the weak? Perhaps...
Yet his son, who once tread the same road,
turned away to challenge the world's cruel —
and he had likely seen far less darkness than his father.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

The Government's literal argument was "this fucking weapons could destroy the entire world, so it's too dangerous for anyone to study things that can lead to discovering them... because doing so would destroy the fucking world".
Which Is not a pure evil type of explanation at all.

We know there was something more, but it made sense in a Machiavellian manner.
And It made sense good people were ok with this.

Hell, before 907/908 people didn't actually believe the Gorosei were CDs because of how different they were from them.
Compare that to now LOL.

Yeah but why should we have believed the government back then, they could have been lying. And in fact they were lying. The only world ending weapon was Uranus and only the government had it.

I agree that people didn’t think the Gorosei were celestial dragons but that’s just because they seemed competent and civil compared to the cartoonishly evil celestial dragons we had seen

but that’s a fault of the readers, we readers just assumed “competence and civility” is somehow mutually exclusive from evil. When in reality it’s obviously not. I mean even in our real world it’s shown over and over again that’s it’s quite the opposite

And I think this is intentional from Oda. I think Oda intentionally wanted the Gorosei to not act like the other celestial dragons so that we don’t see it coming that actually, not being buffoons doesn’t make you also good in any way

the ONE THING I agree that Oda has changed significantly about the Gorosei post time skip is their competence. They are significantly dumber now than they seemed pre time skip.

 

[Dragon777]

Yeah but why should we have believes the government back then, they could have been lying. And in fact they were lying. The only works ending weapon was Uranus and only the government had it.

I agree that people didn’t think the Gorosei were celestial dragons but that’s just because they seemed competent and civil compared to the cartoonishly evil celestial dragons we had seen

but that’s a fault of the readers, we readers just assumed “competence and civility” is somehow mutually exclusive from evil. When in reality it’s obviously not. I mean even in our real world it’s shown over and over again that’s it’s quite the opposite

And I think this is intentional from Oda. I think Oda intentionally wanted the Gorosei to not act like the other celestial dragons so that we don’t see it coming that actually, not being buffoons doesn’t make you also good in any way

the ONE THING I agree that Oda has changed significantly about the Gorosei post time skip is their competence. They are significantly dumber now than they seemed pre time skip.

He changed also they attitude.

We didn't by them being DC because the didn't do the shit Charloss, for example, was doing. But now...

 

[comrade]

Damn, Garling is cold. Kindly looking into his kids' mother's face and stabbing her to death because she is disposable.

 

[Dragon777]

And in Egghead itself, Saturn was willing to show mercy to Bonney if she stood out of the way, Mars actually did end up saving cipher pol, and Warcury brought up casualties before Imu tried nuking Lulusia

The only Gorosei I can imagine doing a generic evil laugh would be like, rat sama's Papa. Which yeah, he sucks

But then the same Saturn said the "all humans are insect" line, and so much more.

Warcury at least said that.

And Mars have no reason to kill One working for them, but then again said Kaku was an insect.

Now they don't even pretend.

 

[soupongo]

The Government's literal argument was "this fucking weapons could destroy the entire world, so it's too dangerous for anyone to study things that can lead to discovering them... because doing so would destroy the fucking world".
Which Is not a pure evil type of explanation at all.

Sure, but while the Gorosei arguing with a character in a serious way like politicians is a nice touch from Oda, they were not actually acting in good faith in an attempt to stop the ancient weapons being used, as Clover pointed out, they simply didn't want the truth about the ancient kingdom to be out. That's why they killed him when he started talking about that(yikes, I do hope the actual name is not Nikaland, but who even knows anymore). That's just a "Weapons of mass destruction" tier excuse, the actual reasoning is pretty obviously evil. We know in the same arc that they were trying to get Robin to revive an ancient weapon for them. When you combine Robins backstory and Franky's in the same arc, hard to see them as anything but evil

Hell, before 907/908 people didn't actually believe the Gorosei were CDs because of how different they were from them.
Compare that to now LOL.

That's because the celestial dragons weren't a thing when the Gorosei were created. To this day, no one knows why the fuck they don't wear space suits. But I still think they don't really act like the common CD's. While they do look down on humans, they don't seem to want to live a decadent well off life or anything like that really. Saturn is in GV not because he wants to kill people, but most likely to find something science related. And the rest of the Gorosei don't even show up

 

[Cruxroux]

Notice how Shank's mother made a cameo last chapter and disappeared this chapter.

Oda really doesn't like mother for some reason.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Ray is not beating Garling

Oh this is gonna be a bet then.

Two things, either Rayleigh doesn’t fight Garling or Rayleigh wins their clash.


There is no way Rayleigh is gonna look bad in front of Shakky after all this build up between them

But then the same Saturn said the "all humans are insect" line, and so much more.

Warcury at least said that.

And Mars have no reason to kill One working for them, but then again said Kaku was an insect.

Now they don't even pretend.

yes all celestial dragons, including the Gorosei, see humans as lesser beings. but it’s clear that the Gorosei are capable of some kind of cooperation and regard for Humans even as just their tools to some extent

 

[Rumble]

Ray is not beating Garling

Ray is an Emperor tier combatant, wtf are some y’all acting any different?

 

[Dragon777]

Sure, but while the Gorosei arguing with a character in a serious way like politicians is a nice touch from Oda, they were not actually acting in good faith in an attempt to stop the ancient weapons being used, as Clover pointed out, they simply didn't want the truth about the ancient kingdom to be out. That's why they killed him when he started talking about that(yikes, I do hope the actual name is not Nikaland, but who even knows anymore). That's just a "Weapons of mass destruction" tier excuse, the actual reasoning is pretty obviously evil. We know in the same arc that they were trying to get Robin to revive an ancient weapon for them. When you combine Robins backstory and Franky's in the same arc, hard to see them as anything but evil

Except their explanation checked, because we had seen Crocodile doing exactly what they were worried about: using the AW to rule.

And, yeah, they considered using one, but again, with a logical explanation that Spandam gave: pirates, who kill and destroy, are winning. We need something to stop that.
All logical takes, at least.

That's because the celestial dragons weren't a thing when the Gorosei were created. To this day, no one knows why the fuck they don't wear space suits. But I still think they don't really act like the common CD's. While they do look down on humans, they don't seem to want to live a decadent well off life or anything like that really. Saturn is in GV not because he wants to kill people, but most likely to find something science related. And the rest of the Gorosei don't even show up

Because they were not this plain, boring and uninteresting evil in the beginning.
Oda had a far more interesting idea about the WG back then.

Now it's flanderization at its extreme.

 

[Jinjoo]

I hope we can have dragon and rocks meet and interact even for one panel.

 

[soupongo]

But then the same Saturn said the "all humans are insect" line, and so much more.

Warcury at least said that.

And Mars have no reason to kill One working for them, but then again said Kaku was an insect.

Now they don't even pretend.

True, but the insect thing is at the end of the day just ideological. Humans can die, but they'll eventually reproduce and the species will never truly be destroyed. That is unlike the immortal beings who rule the world, though I do agree that it really isn't as tuff as Oda thinks it is. At the very least, from his original intentions with Bonny, and Warcury mentioning casualties when talking to Imu we can say is different from like, Sommers type characters still. Sommers spends half his screentime laughing his ass off about torturing people, which is actually pretty typical for arc villains. I think aside from Saturn, it's only like Akainu who doesn't have a signature laugh, because they aren't really *enjoying* what they're doing.

 

[DarkWitch]

But then the same Saturn said the "all humans are insect" line, and so much more.

Warcury at least said that.

And Mars have no reason to kill One working for them, but then again said Kaku was an insect.

Now they don't even pretend.

How is that even surprising? The Elders view themselves as gods, they truly believe that they are actual gods, it doesn't come off that surprising that they would view anyone below them as insects.

They probably even view other World Nobles as below them.

Like why would they care about people they don't know.

The problem is that you were lead on this false belief that maybe the Elders did have some compassion and weren't all that evil.

But I never got that with them, these guys were ruling the world for centuries, barely leaving Marijoa, viewing themselves as gods and making sure the world goes correctly.

And for some reason I'm supposed to believe that maybe they aren't all that evil?

Also look at someone like Shamrock, he was born and raised as a World Noble and was pretty much brainwashed into thinking he is a god and that everyone else who isn't a World Noble is a insect as well.

The Five Elders are pretty much the same thing, they were born and raised as World Nobles and brainwashed into thinking they are gods.

I'm ok with the Elders and the HK being straight up evil with no redeeming quality.

I just don't all of them to be sadistic evil like Sommers, as long as each of them have their own personality and quirks then I'm good with that.

 

[soupongo]

Baby teach is pretty adorable. Though ngl, have we not seen baby Luffy before? Kind of funny

 

[L57]

?

Gege s new manga is after yuta s death
Its in jjk universe

 

[Dragon777]

How is that even surprising? The Elders view themselves as gods, they truly believe that they are actual gods, it doesn't come off that surprising that they would view anyone below them as insects.
They probably even view other World Nobles as below them.
Like why would they care about people they don't know.
The problem is that you were lead on this false belief that maybe the Elders did have some compassion and weren't all that evil.
But I never got that with them, these guys were ruling the world for centuries, barely leaving Marijoa, viewing themselves as gods and making sure the world goes correctly.
And for some reason I'm supposed to believe that maybe they aren't all that evil?
Also look at someone like Shamrock, he was born and raised as a World Noble and was pretty much brainwashed into thinking he is a god and that everyone else who isn't a World Noble is a insect as well.
The Five Elders are pretty much the same thing, they were born and raised as World Nobles and brainwashed into thinking they are gods.
I'm ok with the Elders and the HK being straight up evil with no redeeming quality.
I just don't all of them to be sadistic evil like Sommers, as long as each of them have their own personality and quirks then I'm good with that.

Because now it's indeed like this.

Back in the day, people thought they were not even CDs, let alone immortals, but kings chosen by the CDs to rule because they couldn't be bothered.

 

[DarkWitch]

That's because the celestial dragons weren't a thing when the Gorosei were created. To this day, no one knows why the fuck they don't wear space suits. But I still think they don't really act like the common CD's. While they do look down on humans, they don't seem to want to live a decadent well off life or anything like that really. Saturn is in GV not because he wants to kill people, but most likely to find something science related. And the rest of the Gorosei don't even show up

The random World Nobles were probably raised into thinking the lower realm was filthy and that they needed those space suits to protect themselves.

The Elders and the God's Knights were either taught that those were all bs and that they didn't actually need a suit.

Or they were taught that unlike the other World Nobles, they themselves were way more special lol.

Although I do find it interesting that Killingham is so far the only God's Knight that wears a space suit.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

He better not get in front of angry Rayleigh or else he is becoming cripple like Shanks

We saw Garling completely fine in the present time

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Ray is an Emperor tier combatant, wtf are some y’all acting any different?

i don't think Ray is gonna fight Garling

Also, Ray is not the only emperor tier combatant in gv. Garling very well could be that level too.