Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1161 Spoilers discussion thread

This isn't an argument. Koby will surpass Prime Garp. You don't get any say in this whatsoever. Stop replying to me.

They just don't like it because they think Koby is a lame character, but I can see past all that. At the end of the day this is all about Oda's intentions, personal biases dont have any place in these conversations as fans disliking Koby didn't stop Oda from putting him in a contender spread with the most important people of his era.
It was over the moment he made that spread. Koby WILL surpass Garp.
So is Kuzan stronger than Garp because he was in a spread with bums like Sabo, Buggy and Shamrock?
 
This isn't an argument. Koby will surpass Prime Garp. You don't get any say in this whatsoever. Stop replying to me.

They just don't like it because they think Koby is a lame character, but I can see past all that. At the end of the day this is all about Oda's intentions, personal biases dont have any place in these conversations as fans disliking Koby didn't stop Oda from putting him in a contender spread with the most important people of his era.
It was over the moment he made that spread. Koby WILL surpass Garp.
It’s power creep denial. Folks want to pretend power creep doesn’t exist for their agenda’s sake.

Prime Garp level isn’t going to even be that special by EoS standards

Imu, Teach, Luffy, and Loki will all shit on prime Garp. Zoro and Mihawk probably will as well, since even Rocks and Roger didn’t have black blades. Sanji probably will too as he is Zoro’s rival and a wing.

mid and weak trio will fight holy knights that so far only legendary pirates have defeated.

Koby already broke the arm of Pizarro, who shits on most other yonko commanders. There is really no reason he can’t surpass Garp.
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So is Kuzan stronger than Garp because he was in a spread with bums like Sabo, Buggy and Shamrock?
Possibly

We never saw Kuzan’s full power on hachinosu.

But we never saw Garp absolutely devastate an island the way Akainu and Aokiji did.
 
It’s power creep denial. Folks want to pretend power creep doesn’t exist for their agenda’s sake.

Prime Garp level isn’t going to even be that special by EoS standards

Imu, Teach, Luffy, and Loki will all shit on prime Garp. Zoro and Mihawk probably will as well, since even Rocks and Roger didn’t have black blades. Sanji probably will too as he is Zoro’s rival and a wing.

mid and weak trio will fight holy knights that so far only legendary pirates have defeated.

Koby already broke the arm of Pizarro, who shits on most other yonko commanders. There is really no reason he can’t surpass Garp.
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Possibly

We never saw Kuzan’s full power on hachinosu.

But we never saw Garp absolutely devastate an island the way Akainu and Aokiji did.
Kuzan doesn't have to be above Garp like Koby does though. That's the thing.
Koby is the newgen Garp, his protégé, and he aspires to be an Admiral. He HAS to surpass Garp. Kuzan doesn't.
 
Is Oda really going to not have Garp have any opinion on the CD hunting games?

Jesus Christ Oda. I know you are allergic to writing character complexity but this is ridiculous.

Garp is not going to question a single thing that was going on on the island before he arrived. He’s just going to be stomping pirates and somehow not notice the mountains of civilian bodies with targets literally drawn on their backs lying all over the island.
 
Is Oda really going to not have Garp have any opinion on the CD hunting games?

Jesus Christ Oda. I know you are allergic to writing character complexity but this is ridiculous.

Garp is not going to question a single thing that was going on on the island before he arrived. He’s just going to be stomping pirates and somehow not notice the mountains of civilian bodies with targets literally drawn on their backs lying all over the island.
He already knows about the hunting games, those are a reason why he doesn't help CDs and refuses promotions.
 
Is Oda really going to not have Garp have any opinion on the CD hunting games?

Jesus Christ Oda. I know you are allergic to writing character complexity but this is ridiculous.

Garp is not going to question a single thing that was going on on the island before he arrived. He’s just going to be stomping pirates and somehow not notice the mountains of civilian bodies with targets literally drawn on their backs lying all over the island.
Why would he question? He literally already knows what’s happening
 
Why would he question? He literally already knows what’s happening
So let’s have a panel of Garp finding a dead civilian and saying “Anyway where’s Roger, I only care about Roger”

I want a direct on panel confrontation of what his morality is


Do you want him to turn on the CDs or something? We've been told that you get killed, even if you're an Admiral, the second you rebel against CDs.
no I want Garp to say “I don’t care” after seeing a dead civilian

I want him to say it ON PANEL

or if he does care I WANT HIM SAY THAT ON PANEL TOO
 
So let’s have a panel of Garp finding a dead civilian and saying “Anyway where’s Roger, I only care about Roger”

I want a direct on panel confrontation of what his morality is



no I want Garp to say “I don’t care” after seeing a dead civilian

I want him to say it ON PANEL

or if he does care I WANT HIM SAY THAT ON PANEL TOO
We already got that in the Kuma flashback.
 
We already got that in the Kuma flashback.
No, we got Garp talking about “celestial dragon vacations”

I want Garp to ON PANEL see a dead civilian and then ignore it

There’s a reason why there’s multiple threads of people questioning what Garp knows. Because Oda didn’t have Garp in the Kuma flashback say “Celestial dragon genocide games”. He said “vacations”
 
No, we got Garp talking about “celestial dragon vacations”

I want Garp to ON PANEL see a dead civilian and then ignore it

There’s a reason why there’s multiple threads of people questioning what Garp knows. Because Oda didn’t have Garp in the Kuma flashback say “Celestial dragon genocide games”. He said “vacations”
He clearly knew about it. Garp knows all the shit the CDs do. He just doesn’t care
 
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