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No way y'all are going to argue me down on how Koby can't be on Prime Garp's level when the most common trope in Shonen manga is characters randomly getting far stronger for the final battle.
Prime Koby being on Prime Garp's level
vs
Koby being the Next Garp

are two different convos.


Fujitora and Smoker for their respective generations fullfill the "Garp" role. Wild Dogs who don't obey authority and like to do w.e tf they want, while actively telling off authority.


There will be dozens of characters above prime Garp, Koby being one of them isn't gonna make him the next Garp.
 

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God Valley has completely changed my views on Wano Act 4. I honestly thought Rocks would be portrayed as a man who pushed the boundaries, like Teach: a villain, who did heroic things, but, I fell for WG propaganda, when I should have had faith in Linlin, Newgate, and Kaido for sailing with Rocks to begin with.

Rocks is a true hero, and Teach is a victim. My Wano Act 4 theories resolved around Teach taking over the country, but, I had one big flaw with them: Wano is incredibly loyal to the Kozuki now. My Catarina Awakening leading to the Blackbeard Pirates imitating the Wano Officials theory was fun, but, it doesn't work because the country is now free/happy, and I don't think they'd fall for the same trick twice. It doesn't fit Teach, either:

-On Newgate's crew, Teach didn't do anything evil, until Thatch
-Kicked Wapol out of Drum Island without damaging much of it
-In Jaya, Teach complimented Luffy and Zoro, and told Nami Skypiea exists
-Teach offered Ace to join his crew and clearly didn't want to fight him
-Released less prisoners from Impel Down than Luffy and has most of those released under his control
-Teach apparently didn't really kill anyone in the Payback war

If Teach a bad guy? Yeah, but, he's really not that evil, considering his reputation. So, I no longer think Teach will take over and stealth rule Wano.

"Rabbits" is a big theme on God Valley; the Davy Clan are a Clan that stood against the WG for centuries, while hidden from them.

The Kokuzuki and Minks Tribes are allies who have both used their countries' unique geographies to evade the WG, who view them as mortal enemies.

All the emphasis on hunting rabbits: what is the first thing we see Garling do in God Valley (chapter wise, not timeline wise)? Stab the King to death.

The Rabbit Mink, Carrot, is now Queen of Zou, while the Gorosei have been shown directly commenting on Momo's decisions not to open the borders, saying it was shrewd.

The Celestial Dragons are currently starving, and Marijoa is now under attack and aflame according to Imu. We also have the God's Knights invading territories, as seen in Elbaph. What is a naturally defensive territory, that is now full of delicious food?

Wano, the Ancient Enemy of the WG.

I believe the Abyss allows people to travel to places they've been before; Sommers mentioned Shamrock visiting Harald's grave, which is why Shamrock could teleport to Elbaph's castle, he had visited Harald there, after meeting him and Shanks at the Reverie Harald described meeting Shanks at (if Harald met Shanks, this is where he most likely met Shamrock).

And we know an angry, bald old man, who wields the Shodai Kitetsu, and has a Wano-themed name:



Yamato's Cover Series is at Volume 43: 4 in Japanese is associated with death, a main theme of the Wano Arc, with Oden's death, Kaido's suicide, and the Scabbards willingness to die for their Lord. Next Volume of Yamato's Cover Series is 44:

V. Nusjuro is connected to death through his seeming immortality and his Youkai form being an undead horse. Teach WILL come to Wano, make no doubt.

First, the Celestial Dragons and World Government invade Wano to take it over, via Ethanbaron V. Nusjuro and the Abyss. Green Bull already told the WG how weak everyone who isn't Kaido is; the WG has no real reason to fear invasion right now. Marijoa is starving, and needs food, that Wano has.

Blackbeard is attacking Marijoa currently for York. I believe Teach has 4 big plays here:
1. Destroy as much of Marijoa and steal as much of its treasure as possible, including the Big Straw Hat, and York
2. Use Catarina to turn into Saturn and use the Abyss to go back to Egghead; have York take over the island as new Blackbeard Pirates Territory
3. Attack Fish-Man Island via the Abyss, to steal Shirahoshi (Caribou told Teach about her), via Catarina's Abyss/Fruit. Van Augur/Catarina fed Luffy in Egghead, and Catarina touched him: the "Luffy" that destroys Fish-Men Island in Shyarly's flashback, is Catarina in disguise. Teach takes Hodie's old Fish-Men army and makes them his own.
4. Teach invades Wano for Pluton over Caribou's info

Laffitte can hypnotize people, so they'll know Caribou is telling the truth about the Ancient Weapons.

After Marijoa is attacked, and Imu realizes Teach can use the Abyss, the WG will need a staging area to take Egghead back and take out Hachinosu. The best available place? Wano.

Teach will arrive to take Pluton, while the WG will want to take over Wano, and keep Pluton from being activated, so they can have a new fortress in the New World alongside New Marineford, that's closer to Teach/Elbaph/Totto Land.

V. Nusjuro will announce a Human Hunt once the WG attacks Wano. The Marines will aid them, being told that Wano is trying to activate the Ancient Weapon Pluton. Like the Kuja are all considered Pirates, even those who don't sail as Kuja Pirates, everyone in Wano will be declared a Pirate, as the country is waving the Straw Hat's Flag as their allies.

Hiyori will be taken as the "prize of the tournament", like Shakky. God Valley had 13 Super Rare Rabbits: these are the ones I think we'll see on this list, though there may be more than 13

Ultra Rare Rabbits (foreshadowed by Rodo's "Ultra Rare Nami" comments):
-The Oni Princess Yamato, Kaido's Daughter
-Lunarian King the Wildfire
-Momonosuke, Shogun of Wano
-Carrot, Queen of Zou

Special Rabbits:
-Nine Scabbards
-Tobi Roppo
-Gifters
-Beast Pirates in general
-High Ranking Wano officials

Blackbeard is evil, BUT, he inherently despises Human Hunts because of God Valley. Teach is also Oden's Nakama, and, from what we've seen, Teach doesn't LIKE betraying people, he does it when he feels it's necessary. If Newgate had went after the One Piece and challenged the WG earlier, I don't think Teach does his plots.

When Teach sees Wano, Oden's homeland, being human hunted, I think we'll finally see serious Davy D. Teach, his Mythical Zoan, CoC, the tekkō-kagi, the works. It's like Robin's PTSD about Ohara, but, a Yonkou with two fuck-you Fruits, fuck-you physical stats, and fuck-you Haki showing up to give the WG the business.

Once the WG invades, I think Momo/Carrot will be sent via Momo's Dragon form to Elbaph, to request the Straw Hat's aid, while Yamato and King stay behind to fight.

Carrot's been teased a lot since Wano, and has stated she wants to see Giants in Whole Cake: (there's no way I posted the wrong image first, because I got distracted by Nami bathing... no... okay, yeah, I did)



Since Garling targetted the King first, we can guess the Celestials would go after Momo and Carrot, who are both too weak to handle that crap.

Oda's done a lot to portray the CDs as Demons, recently:



After Imu has been shown being able to turn CDs like Gunko into Domi Reversi, why should we believe it's limited to her, when Domi Reversi clearly works on other Races/Tribes?

The Celestial Dragons will be Domi Reversi'd, and set upon Wano, as the Demons they are.

Davy D. Teach is going to kick Celestial Dragon ass in Wano Act 4

ZEHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, THIS IS HIS ERA!!!!

I wish there was a machine that would allow you to switch brains with someone, I would love to see the worlds through your eyes for one day lmao
 
How will Koby be relevant if he's, as you yourself said, below Vets like Vergo?

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Being a marine who sides with Luffy against the WG

How will Koby be relevant if he's, as you yourself said, below Vets like Vergo?

Difference being, those characters don't copy their master's fighting styles to a tee, they don't do the exact same training regimes as their masters, and they don't go around chasing the future Pirate King talking about how they need to stop him from achieving his dreams.
Talk as opposed to action. No one gives a shit

Also, Koby specifically is one of three people in the spread who, at the time, was an underling of another person on the spread, yet was still significant enough to be there. The others being Sabo and Shamrock.
Doesn´t know how to count award. Nope, there were more subodinates in that spread. Akainu, Kuzan, Garling.

It's dumb to assume he just won't be even half as important as the others in the spread because "He hasn't done anything impressive yet though!". Luffy took 2 years to become YC3 level, and then he randomly shot up to the level of top tiers within a few weeks in verse. Hell, Oda will even just give characters inexplicable boosts like Kidd and Croc got.
No way y'all are going to argue me down on how Koby can't be on Prime Garp's level when the most common trope in Shonen manga is characters randomly getting far stronger for the final battle.
Koby isn´t getting powerups like that. Oda didn´t even give him a powerup so he could seriously fight Hancock, let alone be Garp level.
 

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Chapters like these 3-4 years ago would've hit 700+ pages, damn we need to bring Ndule back he was debating the entire fandom on his own and keeping the discussions endless :josad:
 
Prime Koby being on Prime Garp's level
vs
Koby being the Next Garp

are two different convos.


Fujitora and Smoker for their respective generations fullfill the "Garp" role. Wild Dogs who don't obey authority and like to do w.e tf they want, while actively telling off authority.


There will be dozens of characters above prime Garp, Koby being one of them isn't gonna make him the next Garp.
He's in SWORD for a reason.
Also, Luffy is the next Roger and he's WAYYY different from him.
Y'all are looking too deep into this parallel stuff. If Oda himself is hinting that Koby will become the new Garp, then he will. It's that simple.
Nobody gets a say in this once the author tells us that.
 
Trolling aside, the reason why Whitebeard, Linlin and Kaido have to leave the area where Garp attacked is probably because they were surrounded not only by him, but by the traitors as well, reason why Whitebeard talked about "not dragging things out"

He fought Roger later in a 1 on 1, someone comparable if not stronger than Garp(younger, they clashed evenly and he might get better portrayal against Rocks), so we know it had nothing to do with fear
No WB wanted to go save shakky first it was literally a race
 
Lmao nobody actually thought that. Devilmaster js trollin. But him and Xebec destroying hachinosu in their battle is a damn good portrayal feat
Nothing would get destroyed. They´re just exaggerating, like Aramaki saying Momo would ¨burn down the town¨. Rookie Kaido is getting one shot by Xebec obviously. No way a dude who could clash with Xebec like that is running away from just Garp years later.

They tried slandering the goat @Topi Jerami for saying Rookie Kaido the 70 million scrub loses to Vergod san....

Mfs were even putting him above warlord Law and Doffy lmao.
 

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I'm getting AI to translate my question to Japanese and sending it for the next volume SBS

"Hi Oda, you had legends going to an island where an active genocide is taking place just to chase Shakky, is the Shakkussy that good bro?"

You think he'll pick my question?
 

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He’s not even frozen yet lol.
His body has ice all over it and there is a giant ice spear in his chest. He’s done bro. Lol

Effectively Ice ball is just a technique that encases the opponent in ice. Haki being able to break out of that makes sense, but if Aokiji actually cools Garp’s body to the point of frostbite/immobilization, Haki ain’t helping there lol. Haki won’t raise Garp’s body temperature when Kuzan has chilled his body like that.
 
I'm getting AI to translate my question to Japanese and sending it for the next volume SBS

"Hi Oda, you had legends going to an island where an active genocide is taking place just to chase Shakky, is the Shakkussy that good bro?"

You think he'll pick my question?
Rayleigh consistently leaves for other women so either it was never that good or at some point it stopped grippin like it did in her prime :kayneshrug:
 
His body has ice all over it and there is a giant ice spear in his chest. He’s done bro. Lol

Effectively Ice ball is just a technique that encases the opponent in ice. Haki being able to break out of that makes sense, but if Aokiji actually cools Garp’s body to the point of frostbite/immobilization, Haki ain’t helping there lol. Haki won’t raise Garp’s body temperature when Kuzan has chilled his body like that.
Bro it’s not even as severe as the freezing Kuzan gave Foddermingo lol. Stop the cope
 

Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
I always see you just hate and doom posting about Sanji and One Piece

Having this much animosity and hate isn't healthy my brother

Even if you hate most of the chapter, at least try to find something to enjoy here and there
He couldn't live with his own failure.
Where did it lead him?
Back to Sanji.
Love or Hate, it's all about the Cook.
:cryabit:
 
None of you have an argument against the spread. He was specifically placed among the most important people of the current era for a reason.
Koby has been an endgame important character since literally chapter two.
90% of the reactions you'll see to the anime/manga from new readers logging their experience is already the belief that Luffy's relationship with Koby will be integral in how the story shakes out.
He had the climactic moment of pre-timeskip One Piece.
That spread isn't revelatory about a single aspect of the manga, the fact that people see it as such and use it to argue points is an indictment on this fanbase.
Kuzan being on the spread and Smoker's absence alone debunks the meaning most force onto it.
 
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