Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1161 Spoilers discussion thread
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@Xione Isn't this kind of alluding to spoilers
lmao
@Xione Isn't this kind of alluding to spoilers
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Issue is catching up to Kizaru while he's shooting lasers at you high in the air, and you're nothing but at his mercy. Roger/Garp/Xebec/Newgate/etc haven't shown any capability to catch Kizaru if he decides to do that. But he can never do this strategy since he'll always have an objective when he fights in the series and will also be limited by the location.
Say Roger and Kizaru fight 1on1 in Dressrosa. Kizaru can go airborne and bombard Roger with lasers, that cause insane amounts of destructive damage even if Roger is gonna block them, and they're literally bigger than Law's ship, each laser. And say Roger decides to try and chase him, what's he gonna do swim in the ocean while trying to fight an airborne Kizaru?? It becomes an unfair advantage.
Say Roger and Kizaru fight 1on1 in Dressrosa. Kizaru can go airborne and bombard Roger with lasers, that cause insane amounts of destructive damage even if Roger is gonna block them, and they're literally bigger than Law's ship, each laser. And say Roger decides to try and chase him, what's he gonna do swim in the ocean while trying to fight an airborne Kizaru?? It becomes an unfair advantage.
BM actually looks significantly better than WB here btw. She looked back and did smth, WB js kept running forward ahead 
WB fought Roger this very chapter. Same Roger who’s Garp’s rival. WB has no issues fighting Garp, he simply didn’t want to.
But BM was portrayed as significantly weaker than Garp this chapter.
Yea then Kizaru got it. Like even if Garp at points can catch up to him while they're on land, shit the moment Borsalino goes over the ocean it's gg. And we still don't know how high in the air he can go.
But the bigger thing even more is them fucking lasers that are 3-4 times the size of Law's ship. Until I see a top tier no-sell them or effectively block one without recieving damage from the destructive explosion... yea I don't see how you beat an unrestraint Kizaru.
But the bigger thing even more is them fucking lasers that are 3-4 times the size of Law's ship. Until I see a top tier no-sell them or effectively block one without recieving damage from the destructive explosion... yea I don't see how you beat an unrestraint Kizaru.
Oh now you're doing the thing Smoker naysayers do when they refer to large gaps of page time in a series like One Piece mean anything at all.
Let me help you.
Being the first friend Luffy makes on his journey and ending that arc by leading Shell Town in a salute to a pirate, goes a long way towards making a statement on how Oda see's the rules of the Marines and Koby relative to them, and Koby just like Smoker by virtue of who they are have automatic extra weight invested in each of their actions and how Oda uses their economy of page time, if you're reading with sense.
In Koby's economy of panels he's been more of a symbol and deliberate counter to the model of the Navy as it stands in combating pirates and unless you think the series is going to end with them functioning the same, I'd bet money on Koby in his repeatedly emphasized empathy and conviction in the face of unjust orders/violence is the likeliest representation of a policy shift from Sakazuki and Garp the fist just punching crime.
Garp is the "hero" of the Navy, that title has meaning, Koby is the "hero" of the Navy, his title also has meaning; now it's up to you to add 1 + 1 and see how the mentor differs from the pupil and what that means for the Marines they represent as an individual.
If (and I'm capitalizing this for emphasis) THE CLIMACTIC MOMENT OF PRE-TIMESKIP ONE PIECE isn't singular enough of a moment that with the arcs context clearly point towards a position on the Navy's direction, likely to be followed up on with Koby's character, then I don't know what to say.
Especially given that Koby likely for his hero title specifically due to saving civilians versus rescue as a byproduct of punching.
I'd also say Koby and his feckless cries for surrender on Amazon Lily in contrast with the Marines aggression on a foreign nation and Sandersonia lampshading his "hero" title in a sarcastically meant line, point towards the position of the Marines and how Koby due to the institution he's in inherently falls short of that ideal and will need to course correct; as I predicted Koby would be crying for surrender when we cut back to Amazon lily and that's what I theorized the crux of it may be.
How Garp's being cast right now emphasizes that even more.
Look it's your choice if you want to horrendously read Koby's character but in that case you're not better than all the people who sell Smoker short either due to a lack of imagination or comprehension.
Every Marine saved people, yes; the point is that Koby *excels* at his job to the point that he's given such a title, that's how these things work in the real world and fiction.
A million people could sacrifice themselves and still one will have elevated resonance for one reason or another; you have to be deliberately sandbagging your interpretation to not see what Oda was doing with Koby in Egghead.
Both Koby and Smoker parallel Garp; it isn't scary, it isn't bad, and neither conflicts with the other in how they parallel him.
Let me help you.
Being the first friend Luffy makes on his journey and ending that arc by leading Shell Town in a salute to a pirate, goes a long way towards making a statement on how Oda see's the rules of the Marines and Koby relative to them, and Koby just like Smoker by virtue of who they are have automatic extra weight invested in each of their actions and how Oda uses their economy of page time, if you're reading with sense.
In Koby's economy of panels he's been more of a symbol and deliberate counter to the model of the Navy as it stands in combating pirates and unless you think the series is going to end with them functioning the same, I'd bet money on Koby in his repeatedly emphasized empathy and conviction in the face of unjust orders/violence is the likeliest representation of a policy shift from Sakazuki and Garp the fist just punching crime.
Garp is the "hero" of the Navy, that title has meaning, Koby is the "hero" of the Navy, his title also has meaning; now it's up to you to add 1 + 1 and see how the mentor differs from the pupil and what that means for the Marines they represent as an individual.
If (and I'm capitalizing this for emphasis) THE CLIMACTIC MOMENT OF PRE-TIMESKIP ONE PIECE isn't singular enough of a moment that with the arcs context clearly point towards a position on the Navy's direction, likely to be followed up on with Koby's character, then I don't know what to say.
Especially given that Koby likely for his hero title specifically due to saving civilians versus rescue as a byproduct of punching.
I'd also say Koby and his feckless cries for surrender on Amazon Lily in contrast with the Marines aggression on a foreign nation and Sandersonia lampshading his "hero" title in a sarcastically meant line, point towards the position of the Marines and how Koby due to the institution he's in inherently falls short of that ideal and will need to course correct; as I predicted Koby would be crying for surrender when we cut back to Amazon lily and that's what I theorized the crux of it may be.
How Garp's being cast right now emphasizes that even more.
Look it's your choice if you want to horrendously read Koby's character but in that case you're not better than all the people who sell Smoker short either due to a lack of imagination or comprehension.
Every Marine saved people, yes; the point is that Koby *excels* at his job to the point that he's given such a title, that's how these things work in the real world and fiction.
A million people could sacrifice themselves and still one will have elevated resonance for one reason or another; you have to be deliberately sandbagging your interpretation to not see what Oda was doing with Koby in Egghead.
Both Koby and Smoker parallel Garp; it isn't scary, it isn't bad, and neither conflicts with the other in how they parallel him.
Thnx for reminding me Roger STOPPED WB from reaching Shakky. Where was WB when Roger and Gaban were crying btw. Roger treated him like a nuisance obstacle nothing else. Thats another L WB took
Propagandabeard ran from Garp while Linlin did smth. His WSM title and narrative shattered in a single panel
Propagandabeard ran from Garp while Linlin did smth. His WSM title and narrative shattered in a single panel