Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1165 Spoilers Discussion

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This Gold Roger still seems a little unprepared when it comes to fully understanding Haki, as if he's not yet fully experienced.
He's certainly very close to his prime, but this to me is a clue (I'm not saying proof, but a clue) that he wasn't exactly at his prime.

This also fits with the fact that the Movie Z databook states that Roger's peak was 36 years ago and the fact that his clash with Whitebeard in Oden's flashback is on a different level than that of GV.


Or a solution could be that Roger starts the events of GV not yet at his prime, but then, thanks to all the battles and the fact that he gave his 100%, at the end we can say he has reached his peak, and thanks to this battle also his experience is now finally complete.
 
This Gold Roger still seems a little unprepared when it comes to fully understanding Haki, as if he's not yet fully experienced.
He's certainly very close to his prime, but this to me is a clue (I'm not saying proof, but a clue) that he wasn't exactly at his prime.

This also fits with the fact that the Movie Z databook states that Roger's peak was 36 years ago and the fact that his clash with Whitebeard in Oden's flashback is on a different level than that of GV.


Or a solution could be that Roger starts the events of GV not yet at his prime, but then, thanks to all the battles and the fact that he gave his 100%, at the end we can say he has reached his peak, and thanks to this battle also his experience is now finally complete.
It's a flashback, Oda is not going waste all the hype panels on stuff that already happened.
Imagine a sky split for every single top tier character on GV, everyone doing haki domains and shit and then we go back to Elbaph and Oda has to draw the same thing all over again because he has nothing left in his bag.
 
This Gold Roger still seems a little unprepared when it comes to fully understanding Haki, as if he's not yet fully experienced.
He's certainly very close to his prime, but this to me is a clue (I'm not saying proof, but a clue) that he wasn't exactly at his prime.

This also fits with the fact that the Movie Z databook states that Roger's peak was 36 years ago and the fact that his clash with Whitebeard in Oden's flashback is on a different level than that of GV.


Or a solution could be that Roger starts the events of GV not yet at his prime, but then, thanks to all the battles and the fact that he gave his 100%, at the end we can say he has reached his peak, and thanks to this battle also his experience is now finally complete.
After the GV and the fight with Xebec both Garp and Roger fought each other and other strong characters multiple times. Each other close to death. And people think they didn’t grow stronger? Make it make sense.
 
You guys are still in denial, man. It’s okay, just admit that Roger and Garp’s final attacks are trash compared to Kaido’s final attack.

I seriously doubt that crap Garp used would kill Kaido, but Kaido’s final attack definitely kills Garp 100%. To be honest, the Death Destroyer > Roger and Garp’s final attack.
21-year-old Kaido took attacks from DR Xebec, man. He didn’t even get a scar from that.
It’s honestly funny how every time you guys have to rely on Oden to save Roger’s ass.


“Look guys, Oden almost killed Kaido, so imagine what Roger could do to him!”

Oden was grouped together with Roger, he had a better sword style than Roger, he literally had Kaido’s kryptonite built into his Haki, unless of course you’d like to explain to me why DR Xebec’s attacks didn’t leave a scar on Kaido but Oden’s did. And on top of that, Oden is physically a monster (portrayed as a freak of nature), and nothing suggests Oden’s Haki is inferior to Roger’s — if anything, based on how he was portrayed, it’s at least equal. And even with all that, he was getting beat up by Kaido in his dragon form. LMAO


After that, Kaido tanked Oden’s strongest attack, and knocked him out with a basic strike. That same basic strike would have knocked out Roger as well.
Zoro also left a scar on Kaido while with a broken skeleton. Just because DR Xebec is stronger, doesn't mean every of his moves will leave a scar. Xebec just stuck his blade into Kaido's face and threw him into the mountain. That won't cause a scar. But Roger pouring everything into an attack that overpowered Xebec's Haki and cut Xebec into pieces would.
 
Learn how ryou/internal destructions works.
Then we talk.
Does it matter?
Garp should have Ryou too, Roger too.
Ray and Gaban also pose that ability.

Yet same Roger and Garp saying that Xebec CoC can cancel their attacks.
If Kaido CoC was far stronger, he would cancel both Luffy CoC and Ryou.

If Kaido CoC was beyond Luffy one(Chapter 1026), he would overpower Luffy and not have a equal Skysplit with him...

Absolutely not lol.
It is, his CoC split the sky on his own, had black lightning around the island and beyond the sea similar to Joyboy one.
That is one league above Kaido one.

One of them tanked Kamasuri pre power up and another nearly tanked Bajrang gun lol.
Nearly??
Dude was crushed and send deep into magma chamber?
Another one can be glad that Roger wanted him in his crew.
He literally shitted his pants by Roger adv CoC clash with Whitebeard.

DR Xebec defense>>Kaido Defense(if we count CoC).
Garp and Roger move would easily kill Kaido too, don´t kidding yourself.
 
Bruh.

Harald?
Fodder admiral?
Harald is his equal BRO LMAOOOOO.
Man, even a nameless Admiral is this strong. That's kinda crazy.

Lmao bro erased it from His memory how He tanked Kamasuri lmao.
From a casual Roja. We've seen how well Lolden tanked attacks from actual bloodlusted characters. Bro folded like paper. 😭

Who they are just standing and tanking lmao.
Kaido couldn't even tank Base Luffy's G2 hits lmao.

Kaidou almost tanked Bajrang Gun.



And Oden easily tanked Kamasuri.
See above.

Zoro blocked Hakai initially.
30 broken bones.

Also, it's clear Roja and Garp's attack >>>> Hakai considering it killed DR Xebec.

Both of these together defend it.
No, they die. :josad:
 
Zoro also left a scar on Kaido while with a broken skeleton. Just because DR Xebec is stronger, doesn't mean every of his moves will leave a scar. Xebec just stuck his blade into Kaido's face and threw him into the mountain. That won't cause a scar. But Roger pouring everything into an attack that overpowered Xebec's Haki and cut Xebec into pieces would.
Wouldnt just leave a scar , it would slice kaido into pieces
 
If Garp hit Kaido infinitum Explosion, he would also leave massive damage and kill him on spot. If it is able to broke Xebec CoC defense, it would have any problem to make big holes and killing Kaido.

Same with Roger, his move Wise man of Flame God, would cut Kaido into pieces lol....

Xebec was easily able to cut throught Kaido durability, even the fucking Scabbards are able to do it.

DR Xebec Defense would be block any attack of the Scabbards. Even Oden final attack which left a scar on Kaido, wouldn't make any damage to Xebec. Since Oden CoC is below of these like Roger or Garp.
 
I don’t think Garp would normally be punching holes through a human Xebec lol. We’re seeing these visuals because Xebec’s a demon right now, similar to how the Gorosei or HKs look when getting hit.
Hmm, but then you can say that about Roger dicing up Xebec. Oda has never shown even Zorp managing to slice up chunks off a character, even fodder. But we assume he can right? It should be possible for Zoro to cut a person into small pieces but he doesn’t
 
Hmm, but then you can say that about Roger dicing up Xebec. Oda has never shown even Zorp managing to slice up chunks off a character, even fodder. But we assume he can right? It should be possible for Zoro to cut a person into small pieces but he doesn’t
That’s true but I’m saying this for anyone who thinks these visuals prove that Garp/Roger are killing top-tiers like Kaido in one hit. They just finally broke through Xebec’s CoC and probably knocked him out. My guess is that Xebec’s still alive, let’s wait and see.
 
That’s true but I’m saying this for anyone who thinks these visuals prove that Garp/Roger are killing top-tiers like Kaido in one hit. They just finally broke through Xebec’s CoC and probably knocked him out. My guess is that Xebec’s still alive, let’s wait and see.
It is also quite evident that xebec let them hit him.
 
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If Garp hit Kaido infinitum Explosion, he would also leave massive damage and kill him on spot. If it is able to broke Xebec CoC defense, it would have any problem to make big holes and killing Kaido.

Same with Roger, his move Wise man of Flame God, would cut Kaido into pieces lol....

Xebec was easily able to cut throught Kaido durability, even the fucking Scabbards are able to do it.

DR Xebec Defense would be block any attack of the Scabbards. Even Oden final attack which left a scar on Kaido, wouldn't make any damage to Xebec. Since Oden CoC is below of these like Roger or Garp.
This Is so clear It's honestly flabbergasting.

Kaido almost died from Lolden and they are even trying to sell Garp and Roger would do less? When they went through the CoC of a solo skysplitter?

At this point It's like a parallel manga.
 
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He still was? Nobody had challenged WB on it, not even in his sick days.
challenging has nothing to do with it.

immal is arguing that the narrator NEVER makes mistakes. That everything the narrator says is true.

So, narrator, as everpresent and always true as he is supposed to be, should have fucking known that wb was not the wsm. that this dude was a cancer patient with a foot in the grave already.

well he still had the Gura gura no mi and it was still able to end the world even when he was sick

what you seem to be misconstruing is the idea that WSS is similar to WSM. Like the titles work the exact same way. WSS is about 1v1 combat between swordsmen. WSM is about destructive capability of the Gura Gura. That’s why Whitebeard was WSM at the same time as Roger was pirate king. Whitebeard never defeated Roger yet he was WSM
Gura is not the thing that made him the wsm lol.

Else BB would have been named the WSM on the spot the moment he used it in mf. Did he get the wsm title then?

Actually, does bb even have the title now?

Why has oda or the narrator never called bb who has gura AND yami the wsm?
WSM is about destructive capability of the Gura Gura. That’s why Whitebeard was WSM at the same time as Roger was pirate king. Whitebeard never defeated Roger yet he was WSM
Insane amounts of headcanon here lol

just making up shit to hold on to mohawk's fraudulent title that he has never beaten anyone in the story for.
 
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