Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1170: REVERSE

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#84
Harald was talking about being approved by Ragnir, not more powerful. Harald believed with his current strength Ragnir would have to approve of him.

Loki didn’t take Ragnir by force, Ragnir approved of him the two had a conversation off screen after Ragnir destroyed his CoC coated hammer and that’s how Loki gained the fruit. If Ragnir didn’t approve of him, Ragnir would’ve stopped him too. Unless you think Loki had stronger attacks than his Hammer Coated in CoC somehow?
Why ragnir approved loki but not harald in base? Only correlation can be power here.
 

Kizaruber Eats

Loki is burdened with glorious purpose.
#88
Yeah.


They are practically dead but their body is programmed to serve WG ultimately.


Although it seems like Kuma and Seraphim's could be saved but all the Holy Knights + Gorosei are doomed to die.


Atleast they got the agency to choose this unlike Rocks


We see how it goes with Dorry and Broggy
Aye, I have to give Oda massively respect here. The nuance, the implications of this is very emotionally heavy and thus tragic too.

That one panel of one of the Gorosei with their head in their hands, remorseful over Oharas Buster Call always stayed in my head rent free.

With Dorry and Broggy, I do wonder if Nika can and thus will liberate them too though.
I see all the Gorosei and Holy Knights dying eventually, along with Imu.

I love the abyss theming of Imus control, is so thematically perfect. Really fits the naval theme of the series too.
 
#89
Loki and Squirrel's relationship is probably like Zou and Momo's relationship. Roger and Oden are stronger than Momo, but they had no control over Zou's voice, but Momo could communicate with Zou easily.
 
#95
Harald was talking about being approved by Ragnir, not more powerful. Harald believed with his current strength Ragnir would have to approve of him.

Loki didn’t take Ragnir by force, Ragnir approved of him the two had a conversation off screen after Ragnir destroyed his CoC coated hammer and that’s how Loki gained the fruit. If Ragnir didn’t approve of him, Ragnir would’ve stopped him too. Unless you think Loki had stronger attacks than his Hammer Coated in CoC somehow?
Yeah it’s literally the Thor hulk and captain America all over again you literally Just have to be worthy of it strength doesn’t mater.

Hulk is way stronger than cap but still couldn’t lift the hammer while cap is weaker but could move it and eventually wield it after it accepted him.
 
#96
We saw how strong are the two strongest giants. I ask myself how strong is the strongest lunarian of all time. Considering that thr lunarians are the strongest natural race of one piece and they were called gods in the past
 

TheAncientGorosei

I will never forgive Oda
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#98
I think this chapter confirmed that Domi Reversi > Deep Sea contract in terms of powerboost.

Xebec and Harald have been pretty much portrayed to be equals or at least extremely close and yet Harald was performing decisively worse against weaker characters than Xebec:

First thing Xebec did, was overwhelming Whitebeard in a direct clash, which caused a massive mountain sized rock to crash down on the island.

Xebec then proceeded to have the upper hand against Roger and Garp and then they had to go Kamikaze to pull of a victory:

Meanwhile Prime Gaban? And a version of Shanks that hasn't reached his prime yet, weren't quite struggling as much:

This chapter gladly also clarified that Loki isn't some god tier 14 years prior to to the current time line:
We already witnessed he was quite the powerhouse while he was capable of clashing with Harald, who was still trying to fight of being controlled entirely by Imu:
And even then Loki was commenting on Harald's strength, implying it might be too much to handle for him.

With Harald, ultimately allowing Loki to kill him, while he regained the control over himself for a moment:

And while Loki just gained a great powerboost by eating that legendary DF and Harald even commenting on Loki's ADVCOC,
Oda letting Harald getting himself killed purposefully by Loki without resisting, is I believe Oda's way of telling the readers that Loki isn't ready yet to take on such a monster.

Phew, powerscaling saved for now - rare Oda w.
It’ll probably be a plot by plot basis, fodders won’t matter or be that impressive
 
#99
Not necessarily as we dont know the details of Loki vs Shanks.
But people are certainly losing their minds due to Loki...
Just another hype wave, I guess.
If a character is said to have beaten another then that's that, if you want to conjure some excuse like he jumped him or tricked him then feel free but I'm not going to.

We also know Whitebeard was the WSM fourteen years.

So that is two Yonko decisively put above him.
 
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