Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1194: EVERYTHING CHANGES

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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
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#83
@ShishioIsBack

And secondly this bullshit 2018 Logic of "Whitebeard didnt use his fruit", guess what clown Shanks also just did basic forward step and stopped Whitebeards strike with a sword, he didnt use fucking divine departure or any CoC techniques.
Um, sky splitting is AdCoC shishio, I don’t know if you missed that part of Wano but that was the whole point of the AdCoC flashback demonstrating that AdCoC is what causes the sky split lol.

So yes, fruitless Oldbeard casually matched Saint Shanks’s AdCoC. Imagine if Whitebeard would have actually used his fruit, Saint Shanks would have been vaporized instantly. Unlike Akainu who low diffed fruited oldbeard with his hands in his pockets.

Dodger was also equally pathetic that Whitebeard didn’t even need to use his fruit against him lol.

For perspective Whitebeard used both his fruit and AdCoC against Xebec:


And we know for a fact Whitebeard had to be using Haki against Akainu who is a logia, otherwise Akainu would have just casually walked through all of his attacks lol:


So yes Saint Shanks and Mihawk are pathetic silver medalist Haki merchants, one trick ponies who real top tiers don’t even need their fruits to fight.

That's why Lokis devil fruit attacks failed to tickle imu but Gabans CoC attack fucked him up.
A classic way to tell when you can’t read is when nobody within the story itself agrees with your opinion.

Gaban is a pathetic Haki merchant like Mihawk and Saint Shanks, Harald didn’t take him seriously and stated that Loki with Nidhoggr was the only one who could actually stop him. Nobody in the actual manga has actually placed Gaban > Loki, because Gaban is a weak Haki merchant with one trick up his sleeve (Haki) and nothing else. He isn’t a real top tier, he is a pseudo top tier, an unexceptional fodder who happens to possess the Haki that would make him a top tier if he also had a godly fruit.

Meanwhile Harald screamed in our face 6 different times that Loki was far stronger than Gaban (see my thread above), and when he mocked Gaban for making an enemy of him, Gaban actually agreed with him that he was unworthy of making an enemy out of Harald lol.



That same Harald hyped himself to fruitless Loki level:


And Admirals are weak trash anyways..they take all the shortcuts they can cuz they know in 1v1 they can barely beat a commander.
Guy defending Mihawk claims other characters can “barely defeat commanders” LOL. I’ll take “ball-tickling irony” for $100, Alex. The Admirals have literally neg diffed about 8 different commanders on panel, which is about 4 times the characters who actually give a shit about becoming the world’s strongest swordsman and being capable of stalemating Vista and drawing against Jozu. Lol

Lmao what an actual load of bullshit if you dont even understand how exaggerations in manga work.
So at first you claimed the translation referred to physical strength only, and then when I pointed out that @Kurozumi Wiwi and others have correctly translated the Japanese to prove otherwise, you moved the goal post to “it was an exaggeration!!”

Moving the goal posts is another classic sign that you have no argument and are just throwing whatever shit at the wall you can find lmfao.

Why the fuck would Kizaru be “exaggerating” when discussing the strength of a Shichibukai with his fellow Marines in a closed-office setting? Why would a superior be feeding his men faulty intel? That doesn’t make sense at all Shishio lmfao.

Man, your desperation has reached astronomical levels, these arguments are legit pathetic.
 
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#85
Most perceptive character in the series remember it was also Mihawk who identified luffy real abilities in marineford
Agree. Only addition is that I want to add Fujitora and Katakuri to the list. Both read Luffy, the other present characters and the overall situations perfectly in Dressrosa/WCI.

CoO top 10 will be quite interesting by EoS.
 
#90
@ShishioIsBack



Um, sky splitting is AdCoC shishio, I don’t know if you missed that part of Wano but that was the whole point of the AdCoC flashback demonstrating that AdCoC is what causes the sky split lol.

So yes, fruitless Oldbeard casually matched Saint Shanks’s AdCoC. Imagine if Whitebeard would have actually used his fruit, Saint Shanks would have been vaporized instantly. Unlike Akainu who low diffed fruited oldbeard with his hands in his pockets.

Dodger was also equally pathetic that Whitebeard didn’t even need to use his fruit against him lol.
See all this bullshit, that I already debunked.
Against Shanks' Level CoC Whtiebeard's Pokemon Powers are irrelevant.
Cuckmirals are not worth AdvCoC cuz they are glorified commanders, they are portrayed as peers of commanders who need cheap shots to beat commanders.

But against legit threats like Shanks, they need to pull out AdvCoC cuz that's their only survival.
But issue is Marine Ford showed Whitebeard's AdvCoC was very inconsistent, he couldn't use it at the level he used against Roger.

And Sky Split doesn't meme both guys have exact equal CoC, it just means they both have minimum CoC required to Split the Sky.

Doesn't mean Whitebeard can freeze an admiral's ass from a mile away, do a divine departure, launch Haki Blasts like Xebec etc.

Lmao same Chimpanzee Level Intellect

"Whitebeard Purposefully did not use his fruit against Whitebeard"
No Clown the only relevant thing about Cuckbeard is that he was able to rival Roger, Roger did not need Whitebeard's name to hype himself, Roger was used as a measuring stick for Whitebeard.


He was in the background eating shit while Garp and Roger defeated Xebec.
I know a Admiral dickrider has to latch on to devil fruits, because that is all the low-tier Pokemon Colored trio can do but World of One Piece right now is too big for 3 Colored Frogs of Marine Ford.

Their powers are worth jack shit.
There is a reason why Angry All Out Akainu was made a bitch by Shanks in 2 seconds without even needing to use divine departure.
 
#92
Guy defending Mihawk claims other characters can “barely defeat commanders” LOL. I’ll take “ball-tickling irony” for $100, Alex. The Admirals have literally neg diffed about 8 different commanders on panel, which is about 4 times the characters who actually give a shit about becoming the world’s strongest swordsman and being capable of stalemating Vista and drawing against Jozu. Lol
Lmao at this point either old age has made you schizophrenic or you are dishonest af, because you clearly can't be dense enough to not understand that a guy desperately trying to reach Mihawk's level and is no where near him has been putting YC1 level and Low top tiers in a body bag since Wano.

So Mihawk can sit on his ass and drink wine the entire manga, and ever W Zoro gets until he reaches Mihawk is a notch in Mihawk's power level.

NPC Pokemon Lackey's Colored Trio don't get that luxury. They have shown in manga, they need every cheap trick in the book to survive a commander.

The Admirals have literally neg diffed about 8 different commanders on panel, which is about 4 times the characters who actually give a shit about becoming the world’s strongest swordsman and being capable of stalemating Vista and drawing against Jozu. Lol
Show me panel
 
#93
This is just meaningless word salad.

WSS = Kingly Ambition = Conqueror’s Haki.

Everything else here is irrelevant and barely has anything to do with my point.


Yeah, if the context of who Mihawk is and how Zoro’s CoC is tied to his WSS ambition didn’t exist.

Same with those words being emphasized by the chapter title and highlighted right before Zoro consciously uses it.

I don’t care about the “ifs” you keep throwing out bro. It's getting ridiculous.
Both Zoro and even Mihawk himself had higher aspirations than becoming the wss. So no

Zoro becoming king of hell isn’t just about him wanting to be the wss
Mihawk himself gave up on his original ambitions and settled for less just like the rest of cross guild

It’s not about ifs it’s just true

Zoro not believing he needed it to surpass Mihawk + mihawks reaction to Luffy using it doesn’t help
 

Goofball_Your_Nika

SII - Sakazuki Incinerate Imu
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#94
See all this bullshit, that I already debunked.
Against Shanks' Level CoC Whtiebeard's Pokemon Powers are irrelevant.
Cuckmirals are not worth AdvCoC cuz they are glorified commanders, they are portrayed as peers of commanders who need cheap shots to beat commanders.

But against legit threats like Shanks, they need to pull out AdvCoC cuz that's their only survival.
But issue is Marine Ford showed Whitebeard's AdvCoC was very inconsistent, he couldn't use it at the level he used against Roger.

And Sky Split doesn't meme both guys have exact equal CoC, it just means they both have minimum CoC required to Split the Sky.

Doesn't mean Whitebeard can freeze an admiral's ass from a mile away, do a divine departure, launch Haki Blasts like Xebec etc.

Lmao same Chimpanzee Level Intellect

"Whitebeard Purposefully did not use his fruit against Whitebeard"
No Clown the only relevant thing about Cuckbeard is that he was able to rival Roger, Roger did not need Whitebeard's name to hype himself, Roger was used as a measuring stick for Whitebeard.


He was in the background eating shit while Garp and Roger defeated Xebec.
I know a Admiral dickrider has to latch on to devil fruits, because that is all the low-tier Pokemon Colored trio can do but World of One Piece right now is too big for 3 Colored Frogs of Marine Ford.

Their powers are worth jack shit.
There is a reason why Angry All Out Akainu was made a bitch by Shanks in 2 seconds without even needing to use divine departure.
> Against Shanks' Level CoC Whtiebeard's Pokemon Powers are irrelevant

Is this why young Whitebeard used his DF to counter reversi Xebec's sword? The same reversi Xebec whose Haki achieved solo sky-split? :choppawhat:
 

Veku

Flamboyant
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#95
Low budget scans
Low Budget Manga
Wth is shueisha even doing with this man?
Dude should get Access to secret health treatment not accessable to the public and team of health Cmcare workers, yet all you read is how Oda drinks too much cola, sleeps 3-4 hours a night and how health condition get's worse
 
#96
@Albino 👑
Did you drop the fanfics about Yoru compensating for Mihawk having no CoC, no strong CoA, no good CoO and just push Post-Elbaf Zoro>>Mihawk?

Because that seems like the most logical conclusion based on your takes so we can probably just end all Mihawk-related arguments here. It's not worth it.
If Luffy can be stronger than Shanks or even Roger by the end of elbaf I don’t see anything wrong with Zoro becoming stronger than Mihawk

Mihawk isn’t good enough for Zoro not the other way around
:kayneshrug:
 
#97
So at first you claimed the translation referred to physical strength only, and then when I pointed out that @Kurozumi Wiwi and others have correctly translated the Japanese to prove otherwise, you moved the goal post to “it was an exaggeration!!”

Moving the goal posts is another classic sign that you have no argument and are just throwing whatever shit at the wall you can find lmfao.

Why the fuck would Kizaru be “exaggerating” when discussing the strength of a Shichibukai with his fellow Marines in a closed-office setting? Why would a superior be feeding his men faulty intel? That doesn’t make sense at all Shishio lmfao.

Man, your desperation has reached astronomical levels, these arguments are legit pathetic.
Lmaoo bro you can not be serious about Weevil, that is absolute desperation, you can wait for an actual half way decent feat from an Admiral than to use 45 Year old Virgin Weevil's comparison to Young Whitebeard, which for all intents and purposes could be 19 Year old Rookie YC1 level at best Whitebeard too, to boost Green Brocoli whose actual on panel showing, his introduction was this



Just give it up already
Haki is an answer to everything in manga
It can make an admiral twerk from a mile away
It can kill an immortal being
It will be a key to defeating Imu

An admiral's only role in manga is to do aura farming against weak characters and get slapped by actual top tiers with AdvCoC.

In some cases simply dying when an AdvCoC renowned Swordman runs into you

Now I know same
hE wAs hOlDiNg BaCk cope gonna star, but motherfucker so piss weak, he died at the hands of a guy who probably doesn't even know his name :milaugh:
 

Devilbat

Just chill and let chill
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#99
Hahahahahaha, Sommers vs Zoro is the funniest shit ever, THANK you Oda for this match up. Zoro using Sommers as a practice punch bag is one thing, but Sommers reactions and comments, ahahahhahah, can't stop laughing.

It's a bit sus that Zoro's fight is kinda ending while Sanji's hasn't really started yet. Will Zoro drop by to give Sanji CoC pointers or what ?

Anyway, short but sweet chapter, I genuinely enjoyed it, still smiling, and Zoro's wearing bandana is always cool. I guess I'll worry about Sanji's fight later.
 
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