The point where Kaido said that they had luck that the old hag help them otherwise they would be in trouble still stands.
And that after Kaido troup already take out Kinemon and co, he was alone by Oden presence scared.
And that after Kaido troup already take out Kinemon and co, he was alone by Oden presence scared.
You are right Oden is not Zoro. Oden never forged a black blade while Zoro will.