Spoiler One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers Discussion
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oh I believe he grew
just not as significant as people think he did .
like I said at this point he is close to 20 yrs a pirate.
kaido had to have been a yonko for 6+ years at least leaving at most 14 yrs to grow.
he is close to prime power.
ofc if people think otherwise , we should revisit previous discussions on character growth and why said cases are diffferent from this one. lol
it will be easier for people to just accept oden was just that guy lol
just not as significant as people think he did .
like I said at this point he is close to 20 yrs a pirate.
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kaido had to have been a yonko for 6+ years at least leaving at most 14 yrs to grow.
he is close to prime power.
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ofc if people think otherwise , we should revisit previous discussions on character growth and why said cases are diffferent from this one. lol
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it will be easier for people to just accept oden was just that guy lol
J
When you done typing
Sengoku still hyped current Kaido and BM
Teach still hyped Kaido
BM still hyped Kaido
Bounty reveals info hyped Kaido
Oda still hypes Kaido as main man alive
Sengoku was trolling
Oda trolled to have Wano the most important
Main villain of the Beginning of endgame is weaker than current top tiers.
Luffy is only fighting 3 emperors and perhaps an admiral (Akainu) : 4 top tiers max.
He fought 1 inbetweener, 2 high tiers.
After WCI he wasn't below any commander anymore. Due to FS
Afted wano, he isn't gonna be below any admiral. Due to Adcoa
After elbaf or Whatever he wont below any Emperor except EoSTeach , due to awakening probably.
Start waking up.
Dont make the same mistakes as how Mihawk & Shanks wankers and Oden haters did.
Sengoku still hyped current Kaido and BM
Teach still hyped Kaido
BM still hyped Kaido
Bounty reveals info hyped Kaido
Oda still hypes Kaido as main man alive
Sengoku was trolling
Oda trolled to have Wano the most important
Main villain of the Beginning of endgame is weaker than current top tiers.
Luffy is only fighting 3 emperors and perhaps an admiral (Akainu) : 4 top tiers max.
He fought 1 inbetweener, 2 high tiers.
After WCI he wasn't below any commander anymore. Due to FS
Afted wano, he isn't gonna be below any admiral. Due to Adcoa
After elbaf or Whatever he wont below any Emperor except EoSTeach , due to awakening probably.
Start waking up.
Dont make the same mistakes as how Mihawk & Shanks wankers and Oden haters did.
dont make the same mistake wanking characters hyped up like kat was
and cry plot amor when they arent perfect anymore
wake up.
remember the salt from wci when kat lost after that perfect image was crafted . untouchable.
people still said the fight was a tie
luffy wasnt on kat's level after kat said he was during the fight.
the salt was real.
and cry plot amor when they arent perfect anymore
wake up.
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remember the salt from wci when kat lost after that perfect image was crafted . untouchable.
people still said the fight was a tie
luffy wasnt on kat's level after kat said he was during the fight.
the salt was real.
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Oden was stronger than Kaido at that time but 20 years are gone now and for sure Kaido has grown stronger . so in other words Oden was hyped , and Oda has to make a balance , not to dehype Oden or current Kaido too much.
but at the same time he wanted to tell us Kaido is really strong but not invincible or the strongest. he and BM are merely the next stepping stones for Luffy to get stronger .
just like he make Katakuri a tool for Luffy to improve his observation haki he is gonna using those two yonkos as tool for Luffy to improve his haki feats further and to make him not an easy target for the WG after this arc. more or less it should have a shock effect for the WG , show them that are gonna lose control soon.
but at the same time he wanted to tell us Kaido is really strong but not invincible or the strongest. he and BM are merely the next stepping stones for Luffy to get stronger .
just like he make Katakuri a tool for Luffy to improve his observation haki he is gonna using those two yonkos as tool for Luffy to improve his haki feats further and to make him not an easy target for the WG after this arc. more or less it should have a shock effect for the WG , show them that are gonna lose control soon.
J
If Moriah was low top tier
But Kaido was what ? mid top tier?
Then vs Oden Kaido is what? Mid top tier still?
Then in 20 years later Kaido is high top tier
The man didnt grow much in 23 years. Bruh
Sengoku should have said " Kaido and BM stopped growing 20 years ago coz they became too strong and peaked "
Seems like Kaido is stagnant for no real reason
But Kaido was what ? mid top tier?
Then vs Oden Kaido is what? Mid top tier still?
Then in 20 years later Kaido is high top tier
The man didnt grow much in 23 years. Bruh
Sengoku should have said " Kaido and BM stopped growing 20 years ago coz they became too strong and peaked "
Seems like Kaido is stagnant for no real reason
He became such a shadow of himself (intentional pun?) that the World Government decided to award him the position of Warlord. Makes perfect sense.
Moria, Kaido’s rival once upon a time, lost to pre-TS Luffy. Luffy then went on a two year training hiatus, then fought a well known pirate and then fought two Yonko commanders, including a YC1, further strengthening all of his haki, including bringing his CoO to the level to attain FS, and got one shot by Kaido.
There is no rationale that anyone can use to say that Kaido then was the same as Kaido now. Everything in the story flies against that.
Moria, Kaido’s rival once upon a time, lost to pre-TS Luffy. Luffy then went on a two year training hiatus, then fought a well known pirate and then fought two Yonko commanders, including a YC1, further strengthening all of his haki, including bringing his CoO to the level to attain FS, and got one shot by Kaido.
There is no rationale that anyone can use to say that Kaido then was the same as Kaido now. Everything in the story flies against that.
J
Oh Yonko are Luffy benchmarks to surpass
Something anyone knows.
Kaido is strongest currently! Near invincible! Katakuri is invincible as long as nobody has a counter to his CoO and skills.
Oden wasnt stronger 20 Years ago! You cant be stronger if you are evenly matched and didnt win jack. Forger the distraction,
the man matched base Kaido not Hybrid even.
Y'all should chill now.
Only good infos :
> oden can damage Kaido
> base kaido can take down Oden with clean hits
The negatives :
-No hybrid
-Oden seems like he didnt have his other sword, so one sword Oden.
-Distraction W.
Teach is stronger than Kaido but
Oda : teach is still growing
Teach doesnt wanna take chances coz he isnt fully ready yet
Teach calls Kaido a monster
(Like how Doffy called admirals monsters or Capone called Neko a monster or Inu hyped jack as monster... )
Oh look Characters are just hyped to be beaten by Luffy
Like seriously? You think Teach isnt getting built to be beaten by luffy?
Something anyone knows.
Kaido is strongest currently! Near invincible! Katakuri is invincible as long as nobody has a counter to his CoO and skills.
Oden wasnt stronger 20 Years ago! You cant be stronger if you are evenly matched and didnt win jack. Forger the distraction,
the man matched base Kaido not Hybrid even.
Y'all should chill now.
Only good infos :
> oden can damage Kaido
> base kaido can take down Oden with clean hits
The negatives :
-No hybrid
-Oden seems like he didnt have his other sword, so one sword Oden.
-Distraction W.
Teach is stronger than Kaido but
Oda : teach is still growing
Teach doesnt wanna take chances coz he isnt fully ready yet
Teach calls Kaido a monster
(Like how Doffy called admirals monsters or Capone called Neko a monster or Inu hyped jack as monster... )
Oh look Characters are just hyped to be beaten by Luffy
Like seriously? You think Teach isnt getting built to be beaten by luffy?
J
Yeah
Gap is just Adcoa
If Luffy lost to Hybird kaido or in many hits from base Kaido
Or pushed Kaido to at least midd diff.
With kata it was : supper speed + unpredictable moves + CoO
You think for Kaido is just adcoa
When he needs physical strength and more.
When luffy loses in act 3 midd diff?
What will be next? Luffy is still below Oden admirals ? Despite Adcoa and Fs?
I know already what you will say.
Gap is just Adcoa
If Luffy lost to Hybird kaido or in many hits from base Kaido
Or pushed Kaido to at least midd diff.
With kata it was : supper speed + unpredictable moves + CoO
You think for Kaido is just adcoa
When he needs physical strength and more.
When luffy loses in act 3 midd diff?
What will be next? Luffy is still below Oden admirals ? Despite Adcoa and Fs?
I know already what you will say.
Well most of the warlords are weaker than yonkos, but still possess necessary power for the marines to consider them as ally powerful enough to withstand the might of the 4 emperors, but even for Moria, when the government considered he grew too weak due to laziness, they wanted to dismiss him
As for his "loss" against pre-TS Luffy, there were many plot conveniences in it, but when you actually read the manga correctly, you'd see that even that pathetic Moria(compared to his former self) was still many levels stronger than Luffy. Oars could destroy the entire crew, became even stronger when Moria started manipulating his shadow, and it took a 100shadow boosted Luffy to beat him, and Asgard Moria(with thousand shadows) was portrayed stronger than them, with ability to even split Thriller Bark in half. Only reason he ended up losing is because he became too arrogant to try to handle thousand shadows in a terrible weakened state when he already had the fight won(the sun would have erased all of them), and that Moria was levels below his prime self
I don't want to derail the topic though, so will just leave this thread to see for yourself since i already made one about him before: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/how-strong-was-prime-moria.2461/
As for his "loss" against pre-TS Luffy, there were many plot conveniences in it, but when you actually read the manga correctly, you'd see that even that pathetic Moria(compared to his former self) was still many levels stronger than Luffy. Oars could destroy the entire crew, became even stronger when Moria started manipulating his shadow, and it took a 100shadow boosted Luffy to beat him, and Asgard Moria(with thousand shadows) was portrayed stronger than them, with ability to even split Thriller Bark in half. Only reason he ended up losing is because he became too arrogant to try to handle thousand shadows in a terrible weakened state when he already had the fight won(the sun would have erased all of them), and that Moria was levels below his prime self
I don't want to derail the topic though, so will just leave this thread to see for yourself since i already made one about him before: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/how-strong-was-prime-moria.2461/
J
dont make the same mistake wanking characters hyped up like kat was
and cry plot amor when they arent perfect anymore
wake up.
remember the salt from wci when kat lost after that perfect image was crafted . untouchable.
people still said the fight was a tie
luffy wasnt on kat's level after kat said he was during the fight.
the salt was real.
and cry plot amor when they arent perfect anymore
wake up.
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remember the salt from wci when kat lost after that perfect image was crafted . untouchable.
people still said the fight was a tie
luffy wasnt on kat's level after kat said he was during the fight.
the salt was real.
Cant find it. Maybe you have a panel of Kataiuri losing to gear 4.
Oops 10 min after the battle, a lil chat and kata falls willingly which shocked even Luffy.
But hey
Remember when Katakuri hype was meh?
Cant remember .
When you done crying
Call Sengoku Teach BM Oda liars
Wait you wont call Sengoku a liar but you will try make some random argument
A
sure BB is Luffy's rival and i believe really that he might be the strongest but he is a coward he is not like Luffy , he is planing the whole time and waiting for chances. that is his style and that is why he will go down too .
and if Kaido was the strongest he will not has BM as an other yonko on the same level to go down together against Luffy he is not on that level yet.
and if Kaido was the strongest he will not has BM as an other yonko on the same level to go down together against Luffy he is not on that level yet.
J
Top tier MoriahWhose Bounty was frozen at 320 billions
A man who rivaled Kaido is given a low bounty below high tier Luffy pre fs!
Top tier pirates have 1 billion at least.
When Jack hae 1 billions yet Moriah who fought Kaido had only 320 (prior being frozen)
Moriah was at best high high tier.
Which placed Kaido as low top max 23 years ago
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