Spoiler One Piece Chapter 971 Spoilers Discussion

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This is a false dichotomy, first of all.

Second, flashbacks can be good, average or bad. This one has never been brilliant and has heavily relied on characters who aren't Oden, but at this point it is just a clumsy succession of events lacking in terms of proper writing.

I mean, Oda had all the ingredients to narrate the last events in Oden's life mimicking an oden recipe and he chose the most boring, easiest to write outcome. That has no merit at all, it's even anticlimatic. He could have created a new "Brook's death" like climax but hasn't been smart enough to do so. He's basically copying here and there from Japanese history and folklore with zero inspiration.

This flashback has been a mess from day one. You could literally tell most of what we've seen just from reading the manga and knowing some basic Japanese history.
Yeah i know folklore about ishikawa, but we saw more unnecessary chapters in current timeline than in flashbacks. Probably the main reason why Oda keeps drawing flashbacks is the fact that Oden is alive. Otherwise that would be a little bit disappointing for me. Like we got impressive character with extraordinary past and he died ( even like this )
 
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My real disappointment with that chapter is that we didn't see Kaido trying to force Oden to tell him about the Poneglyphs contents and Raftel after Kin'emon made it clear that it was one of the main reasons why Kaido executed Oden and given how precious this knowledge is.
That might be brought sooner or later. We know the poneglypg got shifted from wano to onigashima.

Probably we ll find kaido s true intention why he really came to wano ?
 

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Funny complainers are blabbering flashback is bad ,i mean seriously every chapter some sort of whining. I think of the user lack patience.

Smh i think some of you guys seriously need to consider if you really like one piece or take hiatus. I am dead serious please have a thought .
Ye they all do this but when u look at the vote thing in the thread after the chapter is released it's different from the comment section in the Spoiler thread people like jumping to conclusions even when we have little infos.....gotta live with that
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My real disappointment with that chapter is that we didn't see Kaido trying to force Oden to tell him about the Poneglyphs contents and Raftel after Kin'emon made it clear that it was one of the main reasons why Kaido executed Oden and given how precious this knowledge is.
Fk the poneglyphs Kaido should know that Oden went to Raftel he can ask straight for directions but tbh I think this can also be a lie (that Kaido did what he did to Oden cuz he wanted infos about the poneglyphs I think he don't rly give much sh** he just want to do his business)
 
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Oda is writing One Piece for him not for the sales.
That is why the manga have such an identity and soul.
Furthermore, he said that he does not care if the reader are bore in the middle of the arc.
It was more his '15 year old self'. Sadly cannot recall where the interview is, probably in some forum where threads collecting Oda quotes may reside.

Be that as it may, I seriously doubt any 15 year old, much less Oda at that age, was hyped about reading a bunch of off-panelled fights and situations - for years on end. :pepeke:

Anyway. Been giving the benefit of the doubt to the character of Oden and the flashback in general, but tbh it feels like there's been a lot more misses than hits. That also goes for the arc as a whole up to now. A damn shame because this was the arc I had been looking forward to the most.
 
Yeah i know folklore about ishikawa, but we saw more unnecessary chapters in current timeline than in flashbacks. Probably the main reason why Oda keeps drawing flashbacks is the fact that Oden is alive. Otherwise that would be a little bit disappointing for me. Like we got impressive character with extraordinary past and he died ( even like this )
I doubt Oden is alive, makes no sense considering Momonosuke's development. The reason this flashback is so long is the whole Roger subplot, but that's it. Oden's death doesn't look more disappointing, nor does he look more impressive nor extraordinary, than Noland did and he's well dead.
 
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Ye they all do this but when u look at the vote thing in the thread after the chapter is released it's different from the comment section in the Spoiler thread people like jumping to conclusions even when we have little infos.....gotta live with that
I made a thread if people liked flashback. It was overwhime gly positive response from users.
Ye they all do this but when u look at the vote thing in the thread after the chapter is released it's different from the comment section in the Spoiler thread people like jumping to conclusions even when we have little infos.....gotta live with that
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Fk the poneglyphs Kaido should know that Oden went to Raftel he can ask straight for directions but tbh I think this can also be a lie (that Kaido did what he did to Oden cuz he wanted infos about the poneglyphs I think he don't rly give much sh** he just want to do his business)
well is kaido interested in one piece treasure at all ? He doesnt seem to give any care about it.
 
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It was more his '15 year old self'. Sadly cannot recall where the interview is, probably in some forum where threads collecting Oda quotes may reside.

Be that as it may, I seriously doubt any 15 year old, much less Oda at that age, was hyped about reading a bunch of off-panelled fights and situations - for years on end. :pepeke:

Anyway. Been giving the benefit of the doubt to the character of Oden and the flashback in general, but tbh it feels like there's been a lot more misses than hits. That also goes for the arc as a whole up to now. A damn shame because this was the arc I had been looking forward to the most.
Oda knows that his target audience are teenager who became adults. He has changed a lot in a way . He is more story oriented than ever.

I care two hoots about fighting.
 
How did the scabbards survive then. All of them were literally on top of oden. And only 4 were sent to the future.
Simple, Toki transported Oden into the future BEFORE transporting the retainers.

Meaning, He was transported into future.
Everyone there assumed he died and melted (including the retainers)
Something happened allowed the retainers to escape (maybe Shinobu cut them loose)

Asura Douji and Denjiro stayed behind to hold off Kaido and clash with him (as we saw from before). While they asked Kinemon and co to go to Kuri and save Momonosuke, Hiyori and Toki while they are holding off Kaido. Since I can imagine Orochi already sent people there to cut off the bloodline of Oden, as they are the true heir to shogun throne.

On their way, Inuarashi and Nekumamushi started to argue and blame each others, and they got captured (that's what Kinemon stated)

The ones who arrived then at Kuri were (Kinemon, Raizo, Kiku, Kanjuro, and Kawamatsu)

They met Toki

Toki trasported all of them into future. while, she let Kawamatsu take care of Hiyori

So, yeah. oden was thought to be dead by everyone, including the retainers. So, basically if there was a time to transport him, it was during the execution, while everyone, including the retainers think he was melted by the boiling pot
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Wait, so one of the harem during the old days of Oden was Big Mom when she was sexy and thicc?? hahaha
Oven is the son of Oden?
Wait, so Katakuri is Oden's son? LOL

Luffy and Katakuri team up vs Kaido and Big Mom >>>> Luffy and Momo hahahahaha
 
Well again i am kinda confused with traitor stuff. I seriously have a doubt traitor made a deal to die with oden.

It doesnt make sense any of the scabbard plan to die in that hot oil soup.
It's not necessary to be now. maybe he was carrying a scabbard that would backstab the Kozuki in the following 20 years. i think there's more than one traitor here

or maybe that's a hint he's not part of the scabbards after all. like Shinobu
 
Luffy couldnt last magellans and fish poison if there was no ivankov or reiju . Just think about pipen soup ?

I like luffy as normal child he is no special like roger , oden or wb who were monsters by birth. I like oda how he potrays luffy he is not godly type or anything.
Luffy would survive this easily, he specializes in willpower.

He is a CoC Haki specialist. This is very rare.

He survived ivankovs breaking down every muscle in his body and building it back up to get rid of megallens poison.
 
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