One Piece Episode 1057 - For Luffy - Sanji and Zoro's Oath
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Honestly, thats probably subjective.
I think the anime did benefit from letting this scene breathe a bit more(Oda's panelling tends to cramp things a bit much, and doesn't really give much time for things to sink in, for example, I remember when the chapter came out, people were debating whether Sanji disappearing was due to super speed or not, it literally lasts a single panel, and its a tiny panel that you can barely tell whats happening), and some of the flashback choices which followed up from WCI definitely added to it.
As for the first hell memories, yeah nah, that scene was not good at all. It literally doesn't have anything going for it.
Its literally, just still frames. Actually power point shit.
I think the anime did benefit from letting this scene breathe a bit more(Oda's panelling tends to cramp things a bit much, and doesn't really give much time for things to sink in, for example, I remember when the chapter came out, people were debating whether Sanji disappearing was due to super speed or not, it literally lasts a single panel, and its a tiny panel that you can barely tell whats happening), and some of the flashback choices which followed up from WCI definitely added to it.
As for the first hell memories, yeah nah, that scene was not good at all. It literally doesn't have anything going for it.
Its literally, just still frames. Actually power point shit.
Once again: Nonsense.
Let's take episode 270 (Luffy vs Blueno). This aired on 07/03/2006 and adapted one and a half chapters. Those chapters came out on 09/25/2005 and 10/03/2005.
We can go even further back to the start of Water 7, episode 229. This aired on 04/17/2005 and also adapted a bit more than one and a half chapters. Those chapters came out on 05/31/2004 and 06/07/2004.
So they were even closer to the manga then they are now and their pacing of one and a half chapters per episode continued.
The major difference that allowed them to keep up such a nice pacing?
1) They actually put in some well timed stretches of decent enough filler episodes.
2) They had a rhythm of 3 episodes and then a 1 week break back then (you can look it up).
That's enough. Unfortunately they scratched both of those points at some point and the quality of the anime pacing suffered greatly.
PS: Funny coincidence that you mention astrophysics while talking to an actual astrophysicist^^
Nope, read my post above.
At the Post Enies Lobby Arc they still had a pacing of one and a half (sometimes even two) chapters per episode.
Take episode 325 (Ace vs BB) for example. This episode aired on 09/23/2007 and adapted a bit more than one and a half chapters, which originally came out on 01/06/2007 and 01/22/2007.
So they were still 8 months behind the manga (compare that to the start of Water 7, where they were about 10 months behind the source material).
But what did they (wisely) do?
They put in a nice little Icehunter filler arc (11 episodes) after Post Enies Lobby and suddenly they were almost a year behind the manga again.
It was a perfect synergy.
But then they changed their model and fucked everything up.
Let's take episode 270 (Luffy vs Blueno). This aired on 07/03/2006 and adapted one and a half chapters. Those chapters came out on 09/25/2005 and 10/03/2005.
We can go even further back to the start of Water 7, episode 229. This aired on 04/17/2005 and also adapted a bit more than one and a half chapters. Those chapters came out on 05/31/2004 and 06/07/2004.
So they were even closer to the manga then they are now and their pacing of one and a half chapters per episode continued.
The major difference that allowed them to keep up such a nice pacing?
1) They actually put in some well timed stretches of decent enough filler episodes.
2) They had a rhythm of 3 episodes and then a 1 week break back then (you can look it up).
That's enough. Unfortunately they scratched both of those points at some point and the quality of the anime pacing suffered greatly.
PS: Funny coincidence that you mention astrophysics while talking to an actual astrophysicist^^
Nope, read my post above.
At the Post Enies Lobby Arc they still had a pacing of one and a half (sometimes even two) chapters per episode.
Take episode 325 (Ace vs BB) for example. This episode aired on 09/23/2007 and adapted a bit more than one and a half chapters, which originally came out on 01/06/2007 and 01/22/2007.
So they were still 8 months behind the manga (compare that to the start of Water 7, where they were about 10 months behind the source material).
But what did they (wisely) do?
They put in a nice little Icehunter filler arc (11 episodes) after Post Enies Lobby and suddenly they were almost a year behind the manga again.
It was a perfect synergy.
But then they changed their model and fucked everything up.
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Except not really?
There was a 10 episode filler arc, and the pacing wasn't necessarily helped much in Thriller Bark.
And for reference, I do not think anyone wants longer crappy filler arcs.
Filler arcs require a lot of resources to plan out. In fact, in some cases more than regular episodes due to everything needing to be made from scratch.
They aren't necessarily good for the production anyway unless you manage to completely outsource it, and they aren't good for ratings.
And again(pacing is sort of a nebulous).
Your also forgetting for Enies Lobby they had a crap ton of filler within the arc itself, and the show nearly got cancelled because they simply weren't concerned with the quality of the show back then(and this isn't me making up that they weren't terribly particular about the quality of the series, this was stated directly by a former animation director who was working on the show at the time).
Also, I think its also worth noting that One Piece itself has changed a lot.(This is a preference thing, but I do sort of prefer the anime over the manga, because reading week to week is painful with Oda's art, and the anime, while slow, at least tends to have more clarity to allow things to breathe).
Also, for Wano specifically, not only did we have the Reverie intentionally get lengthened with flashbacks to prepare the production, we also had 6 episodes worth of filler arcs, and 4 months worth of breaks due to either COVID (3 months) or the Toei hack (1 month). So again, not sure how applicable "just have a long filler arc" really is.
There was a 10 episode filler arc, and the pacing wasn't necessarily helped much in Thriller Bark.
And for reference, I do not think anyone wants longer crappy filler arcs.
Filler arcs require a lot of resources to plan out. In fact, in some cases more than regular episodes due to everything needing to be made from scratch.
They aren't necessarily good for the production anyway unless you manage to completely outsource it, and they aren't good for ratings.
And again(pacing is sort of a nebulous).
Your also forgetting for Enies Lobby they had a crap ton of filler within the arc itself, and the show nearly got cancelled because they simply weren't concerned with the quality of the show back then(and this isn't me making up that they weren't terribly particular about the quality of the series, this was stated directly by a former animation director who was working on the show at the time).
Also, I think its also worth noting that One Piece itself has changed a lot.(This is a preference thing, but I do sort of prefer the anime over the manga, because reading week to week is painful with Oda's art, and the anime, while slow, at least tends to have more clarity to allow things to breathe).
Also, for Wano specifically, not only did we have the Reverie intentionally get lengthened with flashbacks to prepare the production, we also had 6 episodes worth of filler arcs, and 4 months worth of breaks due to either COVID (3 months) or the Toei hack (1 month). So again, not sure how applicable "just have a long filler arc" really is.
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