One Piece Episode 922 - A Tale of Chivalry! Zoro and Tonoyasu's Little Trip!

[True God Moe]

No? He smiled literally directly after he saw Zoro fell Killer. Considering later on the Fox didn't show any bad will or intent towards(it even being noted that the Fox had no intention of killing him), I think its pretty obvious he knew Zoro wasn't going to do die. Also, he would be leaving Zoro to die if there was no one around. But there were people around. Hiyori was actively watching the fight. Yes you could say it was a bit of a presumption, but I don't see why the Fox guy needed to stick around when A) He probably wouldn't have been able to help him anyway, and B) there were already people there to care for him. Also, considering how strong Zoro is, and considering the fact that even freaking Killer didn't die from his wounds, I think its pretty safe to assume that the Fox could have guessed that Zoro wouldn't have died to such a minor injury, especially when there was someone literally right there to help him, or get him help.

Your "left him to die" statement literally doesn't make any sense when you consider there were literally other people there, who were probably more capable of assisting Zoro than he was. Even if Hiyori wasn't able to help Zoro directly, she would have been more than capable of getting someone who could help Zoro, something that the Fox wouldn't be able to do.

He fought Zoro, because Zoro was persistent about getting back Shusui, which was an ancient and revered artifact, but even then, he didn't fight Zoro with the intention to kill(I think the fact he wasn't trying to kill Zoro the second time actually does demonstrate a level of respect for Zoro).

How was Zoro treated like fodder? Zoro's only mistake was letting his guard down when he fought Killer. Its pretty heavily implied that Zoro was going easy the second time he fought the fox, and it was also implied he was reaching the limits of his patience. It would not have benefitted Zoro to knock the fox out, otherwise he wouldn't know where the sword was. How is the fox going to tell him the location of the sword when his unconscious?

Zoro was clearly dominating the fox in the second round, literally sitting on his human form at some points. I don't see how that makes him look bad.

Nah, he did have bad will as you wouldn't have leave someone to die if your 'fine' with them. That doesn't make sense in the slightest. Whether he came at him or not, doesn't change the fact he has killing intent on him if they fought and didn't care if he gets hurt or kill.

Well given in snowy weather and not many who live nearby, he figure he was good as dead especially from bleeding out a lot and unable to stand up even for moment to continue their fight, so again it pushes more he knew he was going down and didn't care him dying.

Luffy was in similar situation and kept fighting through a pierce rib, but Zoro can't handle shoulder stab from lesser opponent that is nerf pleasure? Doesn't make sense and no excuse especially this isn't first time Zoro face multiple opponents and can handle himself on. It really did make Zoro look weak out there especially as we head into war, there be chances of many to gang up on him. What he going to do? get stab again for not trying to be flexible on handling situation? Again Wano make him look more fodder than strong fighter.

Nah, more tied especially fight ended with Kappa stopping it, but by his own power, so Idk what you mean there.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Not really if many translations zero onto that that being more dizzy than hunger. Again show me a time where Zoro is like Luffy in all of his fights he needs food to keep on going or need to eat. Doesn't make sense on that being use here.

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[True God Moe]

THAT'S A WRONG TRANSLATION

Majority say it was dizzy than hunger which is fact. Plus again no proof hunger problems been an situation like Luffy in many of Zoro fights who can fight for awhile in pre-timeskip for fights despite not eating for awhile. Just saying .

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Majority say it was dizzy than hunger which is fact. Plus again no proof hunger problems been an situation like Luffy in many of Zoro fights who can fight for awhile in pre-timeskip for fights despite not eating for awhile. Just saying .

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[True God Moe]

ITS A WRONG TRANSLATION

Acting like parrot in saying same thing won't help. You also didn't bring my majority of fights where he has hunger problems when fighting serious before, during, and after a fight l like Luffy. If it consistent, I believe you. If not, then that isn't what happen.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Acting like parrot in saying same thing won't help. You also didn't bring my majority of fights where he has hunger problems when fighting serious before, during, and after a fight l like Luffy. If it consistent, I believe you. If not, then that isn't what happen.

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[JazzMazz]

Nah, he did have bad will as you wouldn't have leave someone to die if your 'fine' with them. That doesn't make sense in the slightest. Whether he came at him or not, doesn't change the fact he has killing intent on him if they fought and didn't care if he gets hurt or kill.

He didn't have killing intent. That's the point. If he had serious killing intent, he would have finished Zoro off on the ground, as opposed to allowing Hiyori and Toki to care for him. Its the Fox's decision not to kill Zoro here that leads to Zoro being confused later on about whether his friend or foe.

Well given in snowy weather and not many who live nearby, he figure he was good as dead especially from bleeding out a lot and unable to stand up even for moment to continue their fight, so again it pushes more he knew he was going down and didn't care him dying.

Um, there were people literally watching the fight, so, the "no one nearby" argument is complete crap. Also, again, his action is ambiguous, but also doesn't present any sort of real blood lust or malice. It is not the Fox's duty as a raider to attend to someone his robbed, not to mention, there were people there to care for him, and even the vastly more injured Killer survived his wounds with little difficulty.

Luffy was in similar situation and kept fighting through a pierce rib, but Zoro can't handle shoulder stab from lesser opponent that is nerf pleasure? Doesn't make sense and no excuse especially this isn't first time Zoro face multiple opponents and can handle himself on. It really did make Zoro look weak out there especially as we head into war, there be chances of many to gang up on him. What he going to do? get stab again for not trying to be flexible on handling situation? Again Wano make him look more fodder than strong fighter.

Yeah, Zoro wasn't fighting all out(because he didn't have his blade). Zoro still won the fight despite being given such a deep wound, which is characteristic of him.
Also, I don't think there actually have been many scenarios where Zoro has faced multiple opponents. Certainly none come to mind when he was fighting someone as strong as Killer while fighting fodder. He fought loads of people in Whiskey Peak, but that's hardly comparable because none of the mercenaries were a match for him.
Also, Killer isn't a weakling, his a member of the worst generation like Zoro. He was fighting Killer completely evenly for a good deal of time before the Fox decided to intervene unexpectedly. Also, Zoro did admit it was his fault.

Getting caught off guard while fighting a member of the worst generation in an intense fight is hardly looking like fodder.

Nah, more tied especially fight ended with Kappa stopping it, but by his own power, so Idk what you mean there.

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No, they weren't even in the least. Zoro was dominating the encounter(his literally sitting on him), the fox merely testing the limits of Zoro's patience by refusing to give back Shusui. Neither of them wanted to kill the other, but even then, Zoro had more than enough opportunity to kill the fox if need be. He didn't because he was unsure whether he was friend or foe.

 

[True God Moe]

ITS A WRONG TRANSLATION

Why did many translations websites went with Dizzy than Hunger then?

 

[True God Moe]

He didn't have killing intent. That's the point. If he had serious killing intent, he would have finished Zoro off on the ground, as opposed to allowing Hiyori and Toki to care for him. Its the Fox's decision not to kill Zoro here that leads to Zoro being confused later on about whether his friend or foe.

Um, there were people literally watching the fight, so, the "no one nearby" argument is complete crap. Also, again, his action is ambiguous, but also doesn't present any sort of real blood lust or malice. It is not the Fox's duty as a raider to attend to someone his robbed, not to mention, there were people there to care for him, and even the vastly more injured Killer survived his wounds with little difficulty.

Yeah, Zoro wasn't fighting all out(because he didn't have his blade). Zoro still won the fight despite being given such a deep wound, which is characteristic of him.
Also, I don't think there actually have been many scenarios where Zoro has faced multiple opponents. Certainly none come to mind when he was fighting someone as strong as Killer while fighting fodder. He fought loads of people in Whiskey Peak, but that's hardly comparable because none of the mercenaries were a match for him.
Also, Killer isn't a weakling, his a member of the worst generation like Zoro. He was fighting Killer completely evenly for a good deal of time before the Fox decided to intervene unexpectedly. Also, Zoro did admit it was his fault.

Getting caught off guard while fighting a member of the worst generation in an intense fight is hardly looking like fodder.

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No, they weren't even in the least. Zoro was dominating the encounter(his literally sitting on him), the fox merely testing the limits of Zoro's patience by refusing to give back Shusui. Neither of them wanted to kill the other, but even then, Zoro had more than enough opportunity to kill the fox if need be. He didn't because he was unsure whether he was friend or foe.

He did have killing intent. Weapon collector to not have killing intent to get weapons from others to claim them as his own? Doesn't make sense and sounds stupid. You don't need to brutalize your opponent to end their life, once you got a good hit in and see them collapse, that is good enough. He isn't sadistic guy to go to cut him to itty-bitty-pieces.

Only ones I saw was them with Hiyori and Toko as well Beast Pirates being around, but it's not populated compare to other areas where you see more public walking around and buildings as well. It's place more for travel than to stay in the long run due to snow. Also again he doesn't have knowledge to know they are good in medical which your not getting and Killer survive by his own will power than being treated as who would treat him at all? He is known as the 'Manslayer' after all. Zoro on other hand, got treated.

Number of swords is debunked excuse. Ask Daz Bones and Zombie Ryuma with his One Sword and Two Sword styles. It's the skill, not the blades and in the end his skill was lacking which he later admit after waking up. He has face multiple opponents before he survive and defeated Nyan Brothers during Syrup Village Arc and survive being double team by Jabra and Kaku while having Usopp shackle to him. If he can handle back then, he should be better on handling more multiple foes like that, but instead he got down so hard and so easily without much fight.

Nah, Killer was nerf regardless and have different weapons than he usually used. For Zoro lose to that it hurts his portrayal bad, no exceptions and your failing to see point that he need to face numbers if not more in war and this action hurts him as many since the fight seen his durbality, stamina, and flexibility down to harsh level and unable to fight many opponents at same time that aren't fodder. It is how it is about situation and that how Oda wrote about it.

Like how you leave off next page have him pushing Zoro off and kept on fighting. Sitting on your opponent is stupid to say they beat them when fight isn't over. Also you can knockout your opponent and drag them later to tell truth instead of not beating them just for information. It has been done before in the series and they crew actually done that with enemies on certain times. You don't need to kill, but beating your opponent still important. Nah, Gyukimaro wouldn't mind killing him as no proof he wanted to go easy on him or on his side. Kappa was one to end the fight completely and nothing more between them, so again none of that really applies what your saying. Just saying.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Why did many translations websites went with Dizzy than Hunger then?

Because they all copy and paste the same WRONG TRANSLATION... The same way every website failed to translate simple Japanese numbers for chapter 955. They all copied and pasted the same wrong translation to the point that when th official came out people were protesting the official yet they were dead wrong.

If you feel so strongly about this, find the raws and give then to Eten or any of the other people in this forum who speak Japanese than they'll tell you you're wrong

Until you stop being childish I will repeat this dimple thing until it finally sinks in OFFICIAL TRANSLATION IS THE ONLY CREDIBLE SOURCE....

 

[JazzMazz]

He did have killing intent. Weapon collector to not have killing intent to get weapons from others to claim them as his own? Doesn't make sense and sounds stupid. You don't need to brutalize your opponent to end their life, once you got a good hit in and see them collapse, that is good enough. He isn't sadistic guy to go to cut him to itty-bitty-pieces.

Um, he didn't have any real killing intent. The only reason he fought Zoro, was because Zoro followed him, otherwise, seems to steal weapons discretely. Considering the opponents he saw in action, I see no reason why he wouldn't have finished them off if he thought of them as a real enemy.

Only ones I saw was them with Hiyori and Toko as well Beast Pirates being around, but it's not populated compare to other areas where you see more public walking around and buildings as well. It's place more for travel than to stay in the long run due to snow. Also again he doesn't have knowledge to know they are good in medical which your not getting and Killer survive by his own will power than being treated as who would treat him at all? He is known as the 'Manslayer' after all. Zoro on other hand, got treated.

Yes, that's more than enough people to provide even the most basic of care for Zoro. If they couldn't provide care for Zoro themselves, they could find someone who could. The fact that there were people there to care for Zoro, and the fact he didn't finish Zoro off demonstrated he was at worst indifferent to his fate(which again, lead to Zoro asking whether he was friend or foe).

Number of swords is debunked excuse. Ask Daz Bones and Zombie Ryuma with his One Sword and Two Sword styles. It's the skill, not the blades and in the end his skill was lacking which he later admit after waking up. He has face multiple opponents before he survive and defeated Nyan Brothers during Syrup Village Arc and survive being double team by Jabra and Kaku while having Usopp shackle to him. If he can handle back then, he should be better on handling more multiple foes like that, but instead he got down so hard and so easily without much fight.

Zoro being unable to perform his signature style, especially considering he lost his most powerful blade(shusui was highlighted as always being significantly better than his other blades), is a pretty significant argument. Also yes, Killer was just extremely strong and that he stuffed up during the fight. Also, I think there's a world of difference between fighting the Nyan brothers, who were a pair of weaklings, and Kaku and Jabra, who while strong were messing around, than what happened in Zoro's fight with Killer. Zoro was fighting Killer intensely, both of them being evenly matched, neither of them messing around, and Zoro got taken off guard by a factor whom he thought wasn't going to intervene in the fight. Again, that's a bit different from the other scenarios where he just wasn't fighting someone strong, or the strong guys who were stuffing around. Even then, he did admit he was sloppy.

Nah, Killer was nerf regardless and have different weapons than he usually used. For Zoro lose to that it hurts his portrayal bad, no exceptions and your failing to see point that he need to face numbers if not more in war and this action hurts him as many since the fight seen his durbality, stamina, and flexibility down to harsh level and unable to fight many opponents at same time that aren't fodder. It is how it is about situation and that how Oda wrote about it.

Eh, I wouldn't say he was that nerfed. He used scythe like weapons in his usual fights anyway, and I he could still perform all his spinning techniques. Killer was a member of the worst generation, just like Zoro, technically they should be considered of similar standing. Not to mention Zoro was also weakened by his inability to perform his signature style.

Like how you leave off next page have him pushing Zoro off and kept on fighting. Sitting on your opponent is stupid to say they beat them when fight isn't over. Also you can knockout your opponent and drag them later to tell truth instead of not beating them just for information. It has been done before in the series and they crew actually done that with enemies on certain times. You don't need to kill, but beating your opponent still important. Nah, Gyukimaro wouldn't mind killing him as no proof he wanted to go easy on him or on his side. Kappa was one to end the fight completely and nothing more between them, so again none of that really applies what your saying. Just saying.

The next pages further highlight my point that Zoro was going easy on the fox. While Zoro was completely unscathed, and was even threatening the foxes life, the fox was struggling to hold his own against Zoro, with Zoro clearly getting more and more annoyed. Either way, there was a very clear difference in skill between the two, with Zoro clearly dominating the encounter with how he overpowered the fox. Zoro could have easily killed the fox if he wanted, having him in a position of vulnerability during the fight, but he simply didn't possess any killing intent.
Also, Kawamatsu literally stated that neither of them wanted to kill the other.

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[True God Moe]

Because they all copy and paste the same WRONG TRANSLATION... The same way every website failed to translate simple Japanese numbers for chapter 955. They all copied and pasted the same wrong translation to the point that when th official came out people were protesting the official yet they were dead wrong.

If you feel so strongly about this, find the raws and give then to Eten or any of the other people in this forum who speak Japanese than they'll tell you you're wrong

Until you stop being childish I will repeat this dimple thing until it finally sinks in OFFICIAL TRANSLATION IS THE ONLY CREDIBLE SOURCE....

It was translations they choose to go more over Dizzy one and made no chances or said it was wrong, so again, your only one hurting yourself on true stuff especially you failed to show me a moment where Zoro in many of his fights he had hunger problems like Luffy and needed food before continuing. It's not in his character to be like that when he fought many fights for several minutes and even hours before defeating his opponent.

If you got no proof, your only child here man as you can't admit when your wrong.

 

[True God Moe]

Um, he didn't have any real killing intent. The only reason he fought Zoro, was because Zoro followed him, otherwise, seems to steal weapons discretely. Considering the opponents he saw in action, I see no reason why he wouldn't have finished them off if he thought of them as a real enemy.

Yes, that's more than enough people to provide even the most basic of care for Zoro. If they couldn't provide care for Zoro themselves, they could find someone who could. The fact that there were people there to care for Zoro, and the fact he didn't finish Zoro off demonstrated he was at worst indifferent to his fate(which again, lead to Zoro asking whether he was friend or foe).

Zoro being unable to perform his signature style, especially considering he lost his most powerful blade(shusui was highlighted as always being significantly better than his other blades), is a pretty significant argument. Also yes, Killer was just extremely strong and that he stuffed up during the fight. Also, I think there's a world of difference between fighting the Nyan brothers, who were a pair of weaklings, and Kaku and Jabra, who while strong were messing around, than what happened in Zoro's fight with Killer. Zoro was fighting Killer intensely, both of them being evenly matched, neither of them messing around, and Zoro got taken off guard by a factor whom he thought wasn't going to intervene in the fight. Again, that's a bit different from the other scenarios where he just wasn't fighting someone strong, or the strong guys who were stuffing around. Even then, he did admit he was sloppy.

Eh, I wouldn't say he was that nerfed. He used scythe like weapons in his usual fights anyway, and I he could still perform all his spinning techniques. Killer was a member of the worst generation, just like Zoro, technically they should be considered of similar standing. Not to mention Zoro was also weakened by his inability to perform his signature style.

The next pages further highlight my point that Zoro was going easy on the fox. While Zoro was completely unscathed, and was even threatening the foxes life, the fox was struggling to hold his own against Zoro, with Zoro clearly getting more and more annoyed. Either way, there was a very clear difference in skill between the two, with Zoro clearly dominating the encounter with how he overpowered the fox. Zoro could have easily killed the fox if he wanted, having him in a position of vulnerability during the fight, but he simply didn't possess any killing intent.
Also, Kawamatsu literally stated that neither of them wanted to kill the other.

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There was killing intent as again he even kill people to get their weapons and leave them to die. Doubt he stole all those weapons without needing to fight or else he wouldn't be known as weapon collector within Wano. Would be known more as a thief than fighter about him.

Nah, he clearly left him to die and didn't know nor care about if people treated him or not as he had heavy injuries to the point he needed to faint. He isn't sadistic man who would brutalize to the end, once his opponent is cut or stab down, they stop fighting as that how fights in Wano goes as they don't keep chopping them even when they are knockout unless they sadistic type of guys which Gyukimaro isn't one of them.

Daz Bones handle him all with his 3 blades and Zoro was badly injured and must rely on 1 Sword Style to beat him. Number of blades doesn't matter in the fight as any move can be his signature through any style, not always if he uses 3 swords he is going all-out in a fight otherwise Oda wouldn't have end fights like that as well with Ryuma as lesser compare to 3 sword style. Nerf Pleasure Kamazou and Gyukimaro the fox are not same lvl compare to Jabra and Kaku though and they at full power would have kill Zoro, but they still gave him trouble holding back, but yet he is unable to do same better in these 2? Nah, not buying it and just shows Zoro is weaker in ways compare to his pre-timeskip if your fainting and going down that easily.

It's his bad as he admitted and needed to train as he doesn't have same stats as before in pre-timeskip and gotten sloppy. You think Mihawk would be proud if he saw how he took the fight? He would laugh at him for how he went down so badly and no excuse for that especially you got trained by WSS (YC lvl, but still) to go down to bunch of foes like that. No excuse to insert especially Haki is there for reason to help support him when he is going to get hit, but didn't have flexibility like Luffy and Sanji on using it like them. Thus why it makes him look bad than look strong from that fight since.

Nah, Kamazou was nerf by mentally stand point and has different weapons, it's not same nor could he do same tricks as he did with them. It's shown how he fought with them compare to his usual weapons, he didn't do same moves like as he did as 'Killer'. You can see plain as day about that and thus make it bad on Zoro's part to lose to him in a nerf state compare to his more sane and healthy one.

You can go easy while knocking someone out, which he never done and still hurts his performance especially that his second encounter and Gyukimaro wasn't letting up even after he fallen over. Doesn't mean he stops fighting or that was his full capabilities especially knowing he can transform into anything which can play a role since Zoro has bad history with tricky opponents as shown early in same arc with Hawkins' DF. I beg to differ as if Gyukimaro didn't want to kill him, the first fight on leaving him to die doesn't help with him caring about if he dies if he left him like that. He would kill him given chance and wouldn't try to stop at it.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It was translations they choose to go more over Dizzy one and made no chances or said it was wrong, so again, your only one hurting yourself on true stuff especially you failed to show me a moment where Zoro in many of his fights he had hunger problems like Luffy and needed food before continuing. It's not in his character to be like that when he fought many fights for several minutes and even hours before defeating his opponent.

If you got no proof, your only child here man as you can't admit when your wrong.

None of this will stop the Official translation from being the correct translation

Like I said, Write a letter to Oda and complain about you being correct and Oda being wrong