Controversial One Piece is gross and creepy

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Bathe with* and no its not. Its not normal for grown strangers to bathe with children. Again would you accept Ace bathing with Tama. Keep the same energy.
Women, especially in more conservative countries like Japan, are responsible for child rearing. Idk if you knew this but Momonosuke is an 8yr old ORPHAN. Robin and Nami were simply being motherly and in no way shape or form saw him sexually.

*You* however seem to be treating the situation like Nami and Robin are groping and ogling him for their own pleasure. At least point out that Momo is portrayed as a perv despite being pre-puberty.

What your history teacher would nag you about is that Wano is fuedal Japan which had different standards around nudity, standards that changed when missionaries came around and complained about it. Public baths are a thing that occur in many cultures and you are probably only looking at it from a western perspective.

Anyways if you wanna be petty you missed an apostrophe on your its (as in, it is). The second sentence starts with again, which is the type of thing an English teacher nags on and on about. Honestly reading a bunch of your posts it sounds like you haven't even left high school.

Your english teacher cares about grammar rules, I, a random stoner on an OP powerscaling forum don't really care.
 
You're the one who's stalking me 😂 🤣. I don't need help to neg your dumbass. I destroyed you lej and loby d log 😂🤣🤣🤣. You were the one crying to the mods after I destroyed you lej and loby d log 😂 even came to my status to cry. Anybody who thinks kiku is a girl can't do five pressups 😂😂
How can we not make fun of you when you’re using terms like “neg” unironically?

You’re a wannabe debate edgelord on a OP forum claiming that you can beat our asses while measuring your frail sense of masculinity on how many push-ups you can do.

I can smell your insecurity from here. As soon as you start peacocking to a bunch of strangers online that’s when it’s obvious how much of a sad lonely boy you are.


Real men don’t peacock. I am a firm believer in stoicism, but idiots like you conflate being stoic with being an edge lord and a bigot.
 
Women, especially in more conservative countries like Japan, are responsible for child rearing. Idk if you knew this but Momonosuke is an 8yr old ORPHAN. Robin and Nami were simply being motherly and in no way shape or form saw him sexually.

*You* however seem to be treating the situation like Nami and Robin are groping and ogling him for their own pleasure. At least point out that Momo is portrayed as a perv despite being pre-puberty.

What your history teacher would nag you about is that Wano is fuedal Japan which had different standards around nudity, standards that changed when missionaries came around and complained about it. Public baths are a thing that occur in many cultures and you are probably only looking at it from a western perspective.
They exposed their naked bodies to him. No different to an adult man exposing himself to a minor. Its still extremely messed up. And just because you are pre puberty doesnt mean you dont get such feelings. Case in point Momo got aroused.

The orphan excuse doesnt work since they couldve easily bathed him without stripping down. The scene is wrong just admit it.

Exposing in front of minors being bad isnt only a western idea. Literally most cultures and religions would be against it. Dont act as if its the west who are the only one against this ridiculousness.
 
They exposed their naked bodies to him. No different to an adult man exposing himself to a minor. Its still extremely messed up. And just because you are pre puberty doesnt mean you dont get such feelings. Case in point Momo got aroused.

The orphan excuse doesnt work since they couldve easily bathed him without stripping down. The scene is wrong just admit it.

Exposing in front of minors being bad isnt only a western idea. Literally most cultures and religions would be against it. Dont act as if its the west who are the only one against this ridiculousness.
Public bathing is a common thing in many, many cultures. It was unironically a western religious push to remove them out of many cultures because they believe any visible skin is temptation.

We as an audience get to see behind the curtain, and behind the curtain there is 0 (ZERO) sexual interest or intent by the women towards Momonosuke. His mom and dad died a few months ago, and Robin/Nami are basically his temporary mothers.

"Momonosuke saw naked women!" yeah so did I growing up because they NEVER saw me as a sexual threat or option. Many kids do growing up and many times its okay, unless you are going to start implying bathing with a mother or aunt is pedophilia. There are cases where it is in a sexual manner, but those are NOT the SHs intentions.

They aren't flashing him to get a rise out of him, they are helping him wash in a public bath with multiple people there to ensure he feels safe and isn't mistreated. Nudity in of itself isn't immoral, or thousands of gym teachers would be in jail for telling kids about the Miracle of Life!
 
The only time I've ever really felt disgusted by this manga was reading this.



All the other stuff is whatever, I don't care.

Japanese people bathe together apparently. Just a culture thing, like nude beaches.

Bonnie is whatever, she's transforming into a grown woman. She's never been sexualized by Oda. Boobs and Butts exist.

Carrot is whatever, never been sexualized by Oda, is she supposed to magically gain the Oda-Hourglass as soon as the clock strikes midnight on her 16th birthday?
 
The only time I've ever really felt disgusted by this manga was reading this.



All the other stuff is whatever, I don't care.

Japanese people bathe together apparently. Just a culture thing, like nude beaches.

Bonnie is whatever, she's transforming into a grown woman. She's never been sexualized by Oda. Boobs and Butts exist.

Carrot is whatever, never been sexualized by Oda, is she supposed to magically gain the Oda-Hourglass as soon as the clock strikes midnight on her 16th birthday?
Now thats an example he should have brought up. It's clearly a bit of a chauvanist thing- Oden was such a chad that he started laying women as a child. It's still wrong because the more you think about it, the grosser the idea is. But if you *don't* examine the claim, its supposed to seem "impressive".

iirc I was actually made uncomfortable about the lines describing Odens harem bc there was the implication some minors also joined with their mothers.
 
Now thats an example he should have brought up. It's clearly a bit of a chauvanist thing- Oden was such a chad that he started laying women as a child. It's still wrong because the more you think about it, the grosser the idea is. But if you *don't* examine the claim, its supposed to seem "impressive".

iirc I was actually made uncomfortable about the lines describing Odens harem bc there was the implication some minors also joined with their mothers.
That's a mistranslation. The correct translation was that Oden started visiting the Pleasure Hall, which is another terminology for the Entertainment district, which houses more than just brothels. It's theaters, restaurants, gambling dens, Kabuki, Vocal music, festivals, Sumo events, etc... etc.... It's up to the readers imagination as to what he was doing there, and if they want to believe he was banging hookers at 6, well that's on them.
 
Public bathing is a common thing in many, many cultures. It was unironically a western religious push to remove them out of many cultures because they believe any visible skin is temptation.

We as an audience get to see behind the curtain, and behind the curtain there is 0 (ZERO) sexual interest or intent by the women towards Momonosuke. His mom and dad died a few months ago, and Robin/Nami are basically his temporary mothers.

"Momonosuke saw naked women!" yeah so did I growing up because they NEVER saw me as a sexual threat or option. Many kids do growing up and many times its okay, unless you are going to start implying bathing with a mother or aunt is pedophilia. There are cases where it is in a sexual manner, but those are NOT the SHs intentions.

They aren't flashing him to get a rise out of him, they are helping him wash in a public bath with multiple people there to ensure he feels safe and isn't mistreated. Nudity in of itself isn't immoral, or thousands of gym teachers would be in jail for telling kids about the Miracle of Life!
Im sorry but you seem normalised and desenzitised to it. No point arguing with you. Just keep the same energy if something like Ace bathing with Tama happened.

I have no clue what the last sentence even means.
 
That's a mistranslation. The correct translation was that Oden started visiting the Pleasure Hall, which is another terminology for the Entertainment district, which houses more than just brothels. It's theaters, restaurants, gambling dens, Kabuki, Vocal music, festivals, Sumo events, etc... etc.... It's up to the readers imagination as to what he was doing there, and if they want to believe he was banging hookers at 6, well that's on them.
its just about how oden was a bad kid. his character is someone very "big" and influential and noble but not necessarily purely good. he was still essentially a bandit lord.
 
They exposed their naked bodies to him. No different to an adult man exposing himself to a minor. Its still extremely messed up. And just because you are pre puberty doesnt mean you dont get such feelings. Case in point Momo got aroused.

The orphan excuse doesnt work since they couldve easily bathed him without stripping down. The scene is wrong just admit it.

Exposing in front of minors being bad isnt only a western idea. Literally most cultures and religions would be against it. Dont act as if its the west who are the only one against this ridiculousness.
Notice how only Brook, Sanji, and Kinémon gave a damn about them bathing together.
Because they're perverts, projecting their desires onto Momo.

The face Momo makes at them is not him being perverted. He's just saying "I won."



Even if he does find Nami and Robin "cute", it would make no difference if they were naked. He doesn't care. He's accusotmed to public baths.

Now thats an example he should have brought up. It's clearly a bit of a chauvanist thing- Oden was such a chad that he started laying women as a child. It's still wrong because the more you think about it, the grosser the idea is. But if you *don't* examine the claim, its supposed to seem "impressive".

iirc I was actually made uncomfortable about the lines describing Odens harem bc there was the implication some minors also joined with their mothers.
That whole Oden thing left a gross taste in my mouth; not only the "brothel at 6" thing but the harem wars too.

Firstly he was 15, secondly, these were wives and their daughters.
The same chapter we see "wives and daughters" include little girls. Who just can't resist his chad energy.



Top it off with O-Toko being a "courtesan in training" and I was just cringed out by act 2.
 
its just about how oden was a bad kid. his character is someone very "big" and influential and noble but not necessarily purely good. he was still essentially a bandit lord.
It was honestly a bad choice of words on Stephens part as well when he translated it, as most people in the West tend to associate "pleasure" with sexual conduct, when in reality pleasure is just another word for enjoyment. In Japan, where people go for entertainment is often referred to as "Please District, Pleasure Quarters, Pleasure Hall" or things of that nature. People who don't know that, instinctively think of "pleasure" in a sexual manner, so I can see where the misconception lies.
 
They still kept the bathing scenes separate (gender-wise) at the end of Wano tho. My man is just making things up in his mind anr over-analyzing all of this.
The funny part is, is somehow the argument is "Nami took a bath and exposed herself to Momo, and was trying to turn him on for money", when in reality, she never actually took a bath with Momo, nor did she ever expose herself to him.

Robin is the one who gave Momonosuke a bath, and Robin is considered the motherly figure of the Straw Hats.
 
Its called double standards. The same people normalising this would cry if the opposite were to occur. You claiming what I said is absurd goes to show you think Ace bathing with Tama is creepy (which it is). However again you dont think the same for Robin.
When I invision Ace and Tama in a public bath together, I don't really see anything "immoral" going on.
I'm just imagining them laughing together. Ace boiling the water accidentally and Tama getting burnt with a funny face or something. idk.

I don't really understand why you find it so creepy, or what you're imagining. What kind of person do you think Ace is?
 
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