General & Others One Piece is worse post-timeskip because the editors are writing the manga

[Vongola Primo]

After Oda decided to kill off Ace, against the wishes of Shueisha, OP volume sales have declined year over year.

Since then, Oda's editors have slowly taken creative control over the manga. The sharp decline in quality post-timeskip is largely the result of cautious plot choices made by his editors.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Citation needed

 

[Gear]

So while Oda was writing the Post timeskip, the editors came in and said:

- make Zoro the most hype character in the crew
- make Sanji a gag character and lower his hype
- make Nami and Robin bustier characters
- make Chopper cuter and less interesting, take the hype out of monster point
- take off Franky's hairstyle and style
- more room to develop Luffy, Zoro and Sanji than the rest of the crew

hmmm it makes sense

 

[Herrera95]

After Oda decided to kill off Ace, against the wishes of Shueisha, OP volume sales have declined year over year.

Since then, Oda's editors have slowly taken creative control over the manga. The sharp decline in quality post-timeskip is largely the result of cautious plot choices made by his editors.

Ace died at 2010 at manga and One Piece top selling year was 2011. At Anime Ace died at 2011 too.

That was peak One Piece when the world recognized as a great series. From 2011 to 2014 it had a natural fall to normal levels sales for One Piece. Just like Kimetsu no Yaiba couldn't sold 80mi per year for 2 years in a row.

 

[Finalbeta]

I feel like it's probably also the natural course of a series getting too old

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

So while Oda was writing the Post timeskip, the editors came in and said:

- make Zoro the most hype character in the crew
- make Sanji a gag character and lower his hype
- make Nami and Robin bustier characters
- make Chopper cuter and less interesting, take the hype out of monster point
- take off Franky's hairstyle and style
- more room to develop Luffy, Zoro and Sanji than the rest of the crew

hmmm it makes sense

Forgot one.

- pretend Chopper's part of the weak trio even though he had better portrayal than even Franky

 

[Gear]

pretend Chopper's part of the weak trio even though he had better portrayal than even Franky

 

[ShinichiMugi]

When the series ends i would really like to know how the writing process went. Like it happened with Dragon Ball or Naruto,after the end of the story we got to know how the writing went,which ideas were from the editors and which ones were from the authors etc. it will be cool when it will happen,in like,50 years! (But probably One Piece will be still continuing in that time lol).

 

[RoronoaZorro]

One Piece is "worse" post TS because of the story changes, not because of some editor's meddling.
The bloated arc length, the addition of dozens unnecessary side characters, and the "fixed" plotline (they follow a specific journey & goals) is what makes postTS worse than preTS.
Just think about it.

 

[Fuckthis3]

So oda don't get no blame when he make the finally decision? You know he his own person right? Never knew oda was a android who was created by the editors

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

And apparently the editors forced Oda to draw rooftop fights, that's kinda sad lol.

 

[ZenZu]

And apparently the editors forced Oda to draw rooftop fights, that's kinda sad lol.

Thank God they did, the editors need to take over One Piece if the best chunk of Wano was their idea.

 

[Finalbeta]

And apparently the editors forced Oda to draw rooftop fights, that's kinda sad lol.

What do you mean mate? 🤔🧐

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Go suck Oda's dick and leave us alone

 

[Ballel]

After Oda decided to kill off Ace, against the wishes of Shueisha, OP volume sales have declined year over year.

Since then, Oda's editors have slowly taken creative control over the manga. The sharp decline in quality post-timeskip is largely the result of cautious plot choices made by his editors.

That's funny, usually people want the editors to take more control instead of fanboying Oda

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

That's funny, usually people want the editors to take more control instead of fanboying Oda

The editors are Oda's fanboys and suck his cock just like OP
The truth is that Oda can do whatever the fuck he want and the editors have no control over him

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

The editors always have a hand and say in what happens in every manga.

Editors also change every few years, and old ones get phased out, and new ones take over.

Some might give a mangaka more creative freedom, while others might not.

It's the nature of the business.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

They are editors, they always "wrote" the manga. Oda is an employee, never forget that.

The problem is more structural. You can't expect a truly great story to be made with such system as weekly serialization; anybody here who is a creator of some kind must have noticed that Oda's tendency to improvise his story doesn't benefit from schedules that leave so little time to reconsideration and screening. One of the most important parts of any creative process is that period where you redefine, scrap, perfect... your ideas; sometimes even taking a couple of days to clear your mind will significantly improve a work. But Oda doesn't have this, he has been producing like a machine for two decades and is closer to sleep deprivation than anything else. His mind just can't perform as it should, and it could be easier before since the amount of characters and plots was significantly smaller (and he was younger), but I can't imagine the suffering of handling so much while working in this conditions.

When I read through Wano, the most direct feeling I get is that of a big, heavy, blurry cloud covering its narrative, like a huge mental block; and I can see Oda feeling the same.

 

[WitchDR]

I think the exact OPPOSITE has happened. Oda's current editors are all younger than him and fans first over editors. Probably praising everything he writes. He has no one telling him that this "idea" or "that idea" is bad and you should do "this" instead. I think most of the Post-TS is unfiltered Oda. He's like George Lucas. He has great ideas but he needs someone there to tell him NO and help direct the story he's trying to tell so it doesn't get lost under the million different ideas that he's trying to execute.

 

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Source: bRaIn



The guy is like the superstar of Shonen Jump but u guys think the editors control him. Doubt that anyone besides some veteran in Jump say anything that Oda dont want to hear