General & Others One Piece should have a databook of powers/skills and stats like Naruto?

#61
He is strong just for the sake of being strong? Then it's not a good storytelling, but a lazy storytelling instead. Even more disappointing, Aizen the king of hype transformed 100 times only to get oneshot by Mugetsu. I'm sorry, even Luffy vs Kaidou dragging redundant show is much better arc climax than that storytelling-wise since they have their build up-climax and ideological clash of world vision, much better imo. Bleach wasted every Aizen transformation just in a single shot of Ichigo preaching while Kubo inking the whole page black in Mugetsu oneshot scene. It's not much of a storytelling and arc climax, if at all.

About powers, at least Kaidou told us the reason for Luffy's powerup (haki blooms in extreme situations) (when your body and mind can finally reach-harness the full potential of a specific fruit, that is devil fruit awakening) so it's more relatable, reasonable from that aspect.
like in FT, does the power of friendship bloom in extreme situations.

where CoC is better than emotions in fairy tail? both are rubbish. No, I explained. Aizen is strong because he is a genius with a gigantic Reiatsu and who masters all categories in Bleach.



and don't get me wrong, the discussion is about the PS, not about one fight being better than the other in general... And in that CoC is worse than anything in Bleach.
 
#62
like in FT, does the power of friendship bloom in extreme situations.

where CoC is better than emotions in fairy tail? both are rubbish. No, I explained. Aizen is strong because he is a genius with a gigantic Reiatsu and who masters all categories in Bleach.



and don't get me wrong, the discussion is about the PS, not about one fight being better than the other in general... And in that CoC is worse than anything in Bleach.
CoC is less rubbish than friendship powers tho, much less rubbish. There are techniques and effort involved. It's a dummy Nen system. If being a genius like Aizen solve every powerscaling problem, then it's not a good writing since being genius is not relatable or reasonable like being full of effort even when you're a combat genius already, like Luffy.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#64
That would come in handy

And we would finally have Oda's power scaling at hand but on the other hand the battledome would obviously turn more annyoing and dissatisfactory
 
#65
Strength debates light a fire in the fandom, having an official word of God would snuffle conversations and debates, which is problematic when affecting popular characters, hence you’ll see situations were Sanji is comparable to Zoro, Zoro to Luffy etc, it’s cannon fodder for the fans of a respective character, though, since we’re at the end of the Manga, Oda is slowly wrapping things up regarding the standing of those three.
Oda is bad at fights, but he actually gives importance to power scaling, and uses it as a narrative device, in this arc, for example, Kaidou fought quite a gauntlet before being defeated, the bombs were the things that defeated Big Mom, King had to fight Marco alongside Queen, and even after that, couldn’t get the job done, and Marco still had enough strength to block an attack from Kaidou without repercussions, which automatically translates to Blackbeard hype later on, Jinbe is clearly stronger than the other Strawhats, so he had WsW get some help, Franky had actually a great showing in the New World, and gets off scot free against the Tobi Roppo, Hawkins couldn’t even be a TR like Drake, so the instant his gimmick is figured out, he’s done, Nami and Usopp are weak, so he bullshits Big Mom into the mix etc. Still, who’s to say who’s the strongest TR? (my money would be on Ulti) we don’t have definitive proof, so, while a SH beats a TR easily that doesn’t automatically make them stronger, except Jinbei, because the CP0 had to hype him up, and he was an ex Warlord and all. Same thing regarding the YC, Oda made sure to tell that, even though The Sulong form was inaccessible, Jack was greatly damaged before the off screen fight, a kind of a saving throw for Jack’s fans, if they exist. King and Queen fought Marco before, and Queen even lasered himself, Sanji, after getting his exoskeleton power up, tanks and crushes a sword without any problems, you cannot tell me that Oda didn’t know that Sanji fans would use this to pester Zoro fans, but again, Sanji and Zoro have a very huge fanbase, and the rivalry helps the sales, or how about Zoro learning to cut fire and rooftop from the other side?(Btw what a stupid and nonsensical ability, it’s even funny because Oda introduces “gods” that control fire, at a time where the element of fire, performance wise is in shambles like ice in Bleach, ok, whatever, everyone controls fire at this point).
If you, however, give undeniable proof that a character is better than another, discussion dies, for example, nobody seriously believes that Luffy and Kid are on par with each other as of the latest chapter, and this indirectly damages Kid’s role in the story and his fanbase, as early on he was hyped to be a powerful opponent for Luffy in the race of claiming the title of Pirate King, Kid is a microcosm of what would happen if a Databook containing detailed informations about characters strength would happen. IIRC, there was one in early One Piece, and had Zoro being comparable to Luffy in strength, fresh off Whiskey Peak, so yeah, Oda made that as a calculated move, Zoro fans are more interested in measuring up to Luffy, than Sanji, so Zoro and Luffy fans would see things through, and show the opposition who’s right… investing more time and money in the manga.
That is not to say the system is without flaws, though, the titles, for example, are poorly thought out in the grand scheme of OP’s worldbuilding.
Like, if I am the World Greatest Swordsman, shouldn’t I be treating it as a temporary title and pursue World Strongest Man, be it for ambition, or just to prove that my philosophy regarding swordsmanship being above everything else in this world? Why does the title World Strongest Creature exists, if Whitebeard has both Strongest Man and Strongest Pirate? It pushes people in creating headcanons like “Sickbeard”, even though Big Mom, the character with the greatest spy network in One Piece, so should at the very minimum, know that Whitebeard ain’t doing that great, puts Whitebeard on a standing above Kaidou and Shanks, when talking about the giants alliance, Kaidou himself holds Whitebeard in great reverence (strength wise, not morality wise) and if Kaidou is the WSC, shouldn’t he be treated with more respect? Like, Oden was treated like a toddler in that casual clash Roger and Whitebeard had, yet a few chapters later, he’s able to greatly damage Kaidou, and the hag had to cheat the match, leaving the result up in the air, and if that ain’t enough, Kaidou laments the next 20 years about Oden’s strength, when in the grand scheme of things, there are characters that would make him look like a joke, and he too should, if we trust the WSC portrayal. These titles feel gimmicky and not well thought out, as if the characters aren’t allowed to interact with each other until Luffy enters the scene, Mihawk attacked Whitebeard, and got cockblocked by Jozu, ok fine, but why aren’t you trying again? He wanted to measure the distance between Whitebeard and himself, so what answer would he find with Jozu? and we still don’t know who even canonizes these titles in the world, is it the rulers at the Reverie? Is it a pirate only thing and the Yonkous have a say? Is it Morgans and his questionable writing of Jud, I mean Luffy top 5 after WCI? The titles generate hype, but are very lazily applied in the world.
 
#67
Absolutely not !
One Piece would die the moment these are out simply because there would be too many flaws, contradictions, and inconsistencies.
Oda tried something with the doriki system and dropped it immediately with no mention again whatsoever due to it making 0 sense.
 
#69
Strength debates light a fire in the fandom, having an official word of God would snuffle conversations and debates, which is problematic when affecting popular characters, hence you’ll see situations were Sanji is comparable to Zoro, Zoro to Luffy etc, it’s cannon fodder for the fans of a respective character, though, since we’re at the end of the Manga, Oda is slowly wrapping things up regarding the standing of those three.
Oda is bad at fights, but he actually gives importance to power scaling, and uses it as a narrative device, in this arc, for example, Kaidou fought quite a gauntlet before being defeated, the bombs were the things that defeated Big Mom, King had to fight Marco alongside Queen, and even after that, couldn’t get the job done, and Marco still had enough strength to block an attack from Kaidou without repercussions, which automatically translates to Blackbeard hype later on, Jinbe is clearly stronger than the other Strawhats, so he had WsW get some help, Franky had actually a great showing in the New World, and gets off scot free against the Tobi Roppo, Hawkins couldn’t even be a TR like Drake, so the instant his gimmick is figured out, he’s done, Nami and Usopp are weak, so he bullshits Big Mom into the mix etc. Still, who’s to say who’s the strongest TR? (my money would be on Ulti) we don’t have definitive proof, so, while a SH beats a TR easily that doesn’t automatically make them stronger, except Jinbei, because the CP0 had to hype him up, and he was an ex Warlord and all. Same thing regarding the YC, Oda made sure to tell that, even though The Sulong form was inaccessible, Jack was greatly damaged before the off screen fight, a kind of a saving throw for Jack’s fans, if they exist. King and Queen fought Marco before, and Queen even lasered himself, Sanji, after getting his exoskeleton power up, tanks and crushes a sword without any problems, you cannot tell me that Oda didn’t know that Sanji fans would use this to pester Zoro fans, but again, Sanji and Zoro have a very huge fanbase, and the rivalry helps the sales, or how about Zoro learning to cut fire and rooftop from the other side?(Btw what a stupid and nonsensical ability, it’s even funny because Oda introduces “gods” that control fire, at a time where the element of fire, performance wise is in shambles like ice in Bleach, ok, whatever, everyone controls fire at this point).
If you, however, give undeniable proof that a character is better than another, discussion dies, for example, nobody seriously believes that Luffy and Kid are on par with each other as of the latest chapter, and this indirectly damages Kid’s role in the story and his fanbase, as early on he was hyped to be a powerful opponent for Luffy in the race of claiming the title of Pirate King, Kid is a microcosm of what would happen if a Databook containing detailed informations about characters strength would happen. IIRC, there was one in early One Piece, and had Zoro being comparable to Luffy in strength, fresh off Whiskey Peak, so yeah, Oda made that as a calculated move, Zoro fans are more interested in measuring up to Luffy, than Sanji, so Zoro and Luffy fans would see things through, and show the opposition who’s right… investing more time and money in the manga.
That is not to say the system is without flaws, though, the titles, for example, are poorly thought out in the grand scheme of OP’s worldbuilding.
Like, if I am the World Greatest Swordsman, shouldn’t I be treating it as a temporary title and pursue World Strongest Man, be it for ambition, or just to prove that my philosophy regarding swordsmanship being above everything else in this world? Why does the title World Strongest Creature exists, if Whitebeard has both Strongest Man and Strongest Pirate? It pushes people in creating headcanons like “Sickbeard”, even though Big Mom, the character with the greatest spy network in One Piece, so should at the very minimum, know that Whitebeard ain’t doing that great, puts Whitebeard on a standing above Kaidou and Shanks, when talking about the giants alliance, Kaidou himself holds Whitebeard in great reverence (strength wise, not morality wise) and if Kaidou is the WSC, shouldn’t he be treated with more respect? Like, Oden was treated like a toddler in that casual clash Roger and Whitebeard had, yet a few chapters later, he’s able to greatly damage Kaidou, and the hag had to cheat the match, leaving the result up in the air, and if that ain’t enough, Kaidou laments the next 20 years about Oden’s strength, when in the grand scheme of things, there are characters that would make him look like a joke, and he too should, if we trust the WSC portrayal. These titles feel gimmicky and not well thought out, as if the characters aren’t allowed to interact with each other until Luffy enters the scene, Mihawk attacked Whitebeard, and got cockblocked by Jozu, ok fine, but why aren’t you trying again? He wanted to measure the distance between Whitebeard and himself, so what answer would he find with Jozu? and we still don’t know who even canonizes these titles in the world, is it the rulers at the Reverie? Is it a pirate only thing and the Yonkous have a say? Is it Morgans and his questionable writing of Jud, I mean Luffy top 5 after WCI? The titles generate hype, but are very lazily applied in the world.
Forget the point of the databook providing statistics and focus on explaining skills. Naruto's databooks didn't make Naruto's debates end, quite the contrary, Naruto in its heyday was more debated battles and Power scarling than One Piece. A lot of people walk away from One Piece discussions, because absolutely everything will always have a headcanon, everything is just our interpretation no matter how well-formulated the argument is. I don't know if you've participated in Naruto forums, but good arguers on Naruto forums are respected, and they are much better and more fun discussions than One Piece, because: look, I can be convinced by that. In One Piece debates this doesn't exist, it's what everyone thinks and that's it. It is extremely rare for anyone to change their mind, as no one can prove anything. How am I going to prove that Kuma can't repel a Yonko into the sea without a headcanon? How am I going to prove that Kid managed to actually break Big Mom's bones without Law weakening her body? None of the statements is a lie, when the truth is not known. How am I supposed to know how fast a character who doesn't have a speed-based fighting style is without him having speed feats even though he's in a good Tier? How am I going to prove that Law is capable of hitting an opponent much fast without him being distracted? What would be the effect of Akainu's magma on Big Mom? Can Aokiji really freeze Big Mom and ignore her tenacity? To give you an idea, recently there was a discussion here about whether Prometheus can melt Aokoji's ice and no one came out right or wrong in the story. There are discussions about Zoro Ashura actually using ACOC on Kaido and no one is absolutely right. I could literally spend the whole day giving examples here, and there is no such thing as the databook would destroy discussions, with Naruto as an example that's not what happened. Without even a single databook and better explanations of the manga, there is no truth to the One Piece discussions. Everyone goes there and argues what they want, and thinks their headdatabook is canonical and there's nothing wrong with it.
 
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