Trash Hokage with no backbone. Doesn't even have the balls to tell Naruto his dad is the reason he even has a job.
Was the Cloud even stronger than the Leaf at that time lmao? If the Cloud was actually way stronger, then he decision could make some sense. But I’m pretty sure the only notable Shinobi the Cloud had at that time was A and maybe Bee (I forget if he was already a perfect Jin 12 years ago). Pretty sure the Leaf would have the edge in a conflict because 12 years ago Hiruzen would be twice as strong as Part 1 Hiruzen according to Orochimaru, and then the Leaf also has the Sannin (I forget if Orochimaru was still a Leaf Shinobi atp, but Jiraiya and Tsunade were still)
 
Was the Cloud even stronger than the Leaf at that time lmao? If the Cloud was actually way stronger, then he decision could make some sense. But I’m pretty sure the only notable Shinobi the Cloud had at that time was A and maybe Bee (I forget if he was already a perfect Jin 12 years ago). Pretty sure the Leaf would have the edge in a conflict because 12 years ago Hiruzen would be twice as strong as Part 1 Hiruzen according to Orochimaru, and then the Leaf also has the Sannin (I forget if Orochimaru was still a Leaf Shinobi atp, but Jiraiya and Tsunade were still)
You have Danzo too
(Weren't Uchiha still alive then?)
Let's say they were stronger (not even close) you would give them the chance to research a "busted" ability only your village has to get stronger?
What happens if they did understand how to replicate Byakugan?

P.s
Remember Gai apparently solos any village anyway.
 
@ZenZu Sarutobi was also a massive pussy for letting Orochimaru escape. Not only had they caught him red handed using Leaf villagers as test subjects, but Orochimaru also straight up murdered the ANBU escort that Sarutobi brought with him right in front of Sarutobi while laughing at his face, and Sarutobi let him leisurely walk out of the village
 
Was the Cloud even stronger than the Leaf at that time lmao? If the Cloud was actually way stronger, then he decision could make some sense. But I’m pretty sure the only notable Shinobi the Cloud had at that time was A and maybe Bee (I forget if he was already a perfect Jin 12 years ago). Pretty sure the Leaf would have the edge in a conflict because 12 years ago Hiruzen would be twice as strong as Part 1 Hiruzen according to Orochimaru, and then the Leaf also has the Sannin (I forget if Orochimaru was still a Leaf Shinobi atp, but Jiraiya and Tsunade were still)
Tsunade left the leaf, Orochimaru left the leaf, Jiraiya wasn't even active.
Stop hatejerking

And the Uchiha were never enough to put Konoha over any other villages.
 
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Sarutobi agreeing to offer up Hizashi as a sacrifice to pay back the Cloud after Hiashi killed one of their Jonin WHO WAS LITERALLY KIDNAPPING HIS DAUGHTER is some major cuck shit. The Cloud was clearly 100% in the wrong and Sarutobi let the Leaf be bullied by them. Hizashi was clearly way more powerful than that fodder Jonin that Hiashi one shot, so the Leaf came out the losers in that exchange
It was 4 years after the Kyuubi attack (so about 4 years since most countries signed the peace treaty) and Kumo was threatening war.

He might not have Orochimaru
Doesn't have Tsunade
The Uchiha are on their bullshittery
Minato is dead
Their jinchuuriki is in diapers

Hiruzen had two clear choices, swallow his pride or get into another war against the country with the fastest man alive and 1/4 people who can control bijuus perfectly.
 
It was 4 years after the Kyuubi attack (so about 4 years since most countries signed the peace treaty) and Kumo was threatening war.

He might not have Orochimaru
Doesn't have Tsunade
The Uchiha are on their bullshittery
Minato is dead
Their jinchuuriki is in diapers

Hiruzen had two clear choices, swallow his pride or get into another war against the country with the fastest man alive and 1/4 people who can control bijuus perfectly.
Would the Cloud really start a war over some random Jonin though?

The whole situation also feels out of character for A tbh. I can’t see him ordering someone to kidnap a little girl while on a diplomatic mission, and then being a total bitch when the mission fails
 

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Would the Cloud really start a war over some random Jonin though?
The Jonin isn't the point, Kumo was only coming to ratify the treaty for the specific goal of stealing the Byakugan. Kumo already is risking major aggression and has likely resolved itself that war may come out of this. They pulled the trigger knowing the potential consequences.
The whole situation also feels out of character for A tbh. I can’t see him ordering someone to kidnap a little girl while on a diplomatic mission, and then being a total bitch when the mission fails
I think it really fits Hiruzen. He's portrayed as a man worn down by conflict, time and sentiment. He's unable to kill Orochimaru because of his attachments to him, as well.

Even if Konoha can win a war or skirmish, you gotta wonder what the cost'll be and if Hiruzen is willing to drag the village through another conflict while they're fresh out of a war and the kyuubi attack
 
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