News One Piece: Vivre Card (Data book)-Discussion Thread

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

When Mihawk lost his Warlord title, the title box made sure to include "Former Warlord".

That's because the Shichibukai system got abolished hence why they are called "Former Warlords" to show that the system got abolished. Wouldn't make sense if the "Former Warlords" title wasn't there.

However, when Mihawk "loses" his WSS title, the title box doesn't include "Former World's Strongest Swordsman".

I mean Whitebeard was considered the World's Strongest Man in Marineford.....

Whitebeard is his epithet.

Linlin's epithet is "Big Mom".

And Kaido's epithet is Hundred-Beast/King of the Beasts.

People called him the Strongest Creature in the world.

Dragon is considered the most wanted man in the world and his moniker is the great revolutionary just like how the Yonko are called the "Great Pirate" because that's the moniker that other people called them. Titles, monikers, and epithets are different. For example, Jack the Drought, Kaido, BM, WB, Roger, etc.

Don't you find that a bit odd?
Saying Mihawk is no longer the WSS because it didn't state it in 956 is like saying Hancock is no longer the "captain of the Kuja pirates" or she's no longer the "empress of amazon lily" but simply a "pirate empress".
A bit stupid of an argument.

No. Because the Empress is a title. Just like how Pirate King is a title. "The Empress" have the quotation marks.

Again, Mihawk have an official introduced title box.

But he doesn't have it anymore in Reverie.

CP0 have the "World's" title while "Aigis" is their epithet.

Hancock still have her "Empress" title.

While Mihawk.....

"But but Hawkeye is the same as Pirate Empress."

No. Hawkeye is a epithet. Not a title like the Empress.

Another example:

 

[spawn]

No. Because the Empress is a title. Just like how Pirate King is a title. "The Empress" have the quotation marks.

Hancock still have her "Empress" title.

"But but Hawkeye is the same as Pirate Empress."

No. Hawkeye is a epithet. Not a title like the Empress.

I dunno man...
I've read the manga and I can swear the "title" Pirate Empress is used in the exact same manner as the "epithets" Hawk-eye, Heavenly Demon, Tyrant, Surgeon of Death, and Genius jester.

Spoiler

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I dunno man...
I've read the manga and I can swear the "title" Pirate Empress is used in the exact same manner as the "epithets" Hawk-eye, Heavenly Demon, Tyrant, Surgeon of Death, and Genius jester.

Spoiler

Is Amazon Lily Empress the same as Pirate Empress?

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

This also speaks to the fact that apart from Beckman and Katakuri, you can't really put any YCs above Law.

??? Marco>Benn beckman

 

[BleakAsh]

CHOTTO MATTE KUDA SAI

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

I dunno man...
I've read the manga and I can swear the "title" Pirate Empress is used in the exact same manner as the "epithets" Hawk-eye, Heavenly Demon, Tyrant, Surgeon of Death, and Genius jester.

Spoiler

Hawkeye epitaph does not overidde his WSS title which is not there in 956, oda does not forget to remind us what Morgan is.

 

[BleakAsh]

Damn. So Vergo had next level Armament? I told you all he was YC level. People comparing this dude to Ulti and P1. Lmfao.

This also speaks to the fact that apart from Beckman and Katakuri, you can't really put any YCs above Law.

he's underrated as hell... YC fr

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

If Pirate Empress is Hancock's epithet then the World's Most Beautiful Woman is her title then?

 

[spawn]

Is Amazon Lily Empress the same as Pirate Empress?

It depends on where you're getting at. The phrase is different but I believe it's referencing the same thing.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

this wasn't about mihawk? sorry spawn.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

It depends on where you're getting at. The phrase is different but I believe it's referencing the same thing.

Can't remember if "The Empress" is the same as the "Pirate Empress" or not. Probably translation issues.

Anyway, Hawkeye is Mihawk's epithet. Cool. Pirate Empress is being put as the same as some other epithets like the other Shichibukai has. And Hancock has two other "titles" which is "The Empress" and "Amazon Lily Empress"

I probably need to check the panels again.

 

[spawn]

Hawkeye epitaph does not overidde his WSS title which is not there in 956, oda does not forget to remind us what Morgan is.

It's really no different from Oda not including "Hawkeye" but including WSS in 925 and then not including "World's Strongest Swordsman" but including 956.
The first and last time Oda included both were when we first saw Mihawk in the story in Ch. 50.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

It's really no different from Oda not including "Hawkeye" but including WSS in 925 and then not including "World's Strongest Swordsman" but including 956.
The first and last time Oda included both were when we first saw Mihawk in the story in Ch. 50.

This is what I mean he lost his beloved title, ephiti can go away because it doesn't overlap his title.
Mihawk introduction will always have it. but not in 956 it's gone. feel bad for him but this whats happen when you play with WUJI

 

[Jailer]

This is what I mean he lost his beloved title, ephiti can go away because it doesn't overlap his title.
Mihawk introduction will always have it. but not in 956 it's gone. feel bad for him but this whats happen when you play with WUJI

Helmepo slayed his ass new WSS

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

Helmepo slayed his ass new WSS

You now that I think about it, kinda sad that helempoo has more plot reveleance then retcon milaugh.

Milaugh purpose was for the original story not this one, oda is killing him.

@Fenaker

 

[sanjikun]

Didnt Law get low diffed by Doffy? XD

The only reason Law defeated Vergo was his DF and Vergo not knowing he could chop throuch Haki.

Hence the Beckman/Katakuri comment. Law is not above those guys.

But it's quite clear that CoC users are on a whole other level. Unless Marco/King display it, they're not on that level.

 

[Un-amed]

Hence the Beckman/Katakuri comment. Law is not above those guys.

But it's quite clear that CoC users are on a whole other level. Unless Marco/King display it, they're not on that level.

After ch 1009 yeah... Every CoC user >> Every normal user sadly :,(

 

[spawn]

Can't remember if "The Empress" is the same as the "Pirate Empress" or not. Probably translation issues.

Anyway, Hawkeye is Mihawk's epithet. Cool. Pirate Empress is being put as the same as some other epithets like the other Shichibukai has. And Hancock has two other "titles" which is "The Empress" and "Amazon Lily Empress"

I probably need to check the panels again.

All the "epithets" are the bolded texts in quotations.
"海賊女帝" is Pirate Empress.
"鷹の目" is Hawkeye.
etc...

Spoiler

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

Hence the Beckman/Katakuri comment. Law is not above those guys.

But it's quite clear that CoC users are on a whole other level. Unless Marco/King display it, they're not on that level.

wait hold up? SO benn beckman is randomly above marco, when oda said WB has the strongest crew at MF?

Marco held his own against big mom who is above shanks

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

All the "epithets" are the bolded texts in quotations.
"海賊女帝" is Pirate Empress.
"鷹の目" is Hawkeye.
etc...

Spoiler

So Pirate Empress is not a title.......

That's sad to hear I guess.

But that doesn't change the fact that WSS title wasn't there for Mihawk though.