Future Events One Piece will not end before the 1400 chapters. Change my mind.

#22
I honestly can't see Vegapunk having a 70 chapter arc. I think his story will be interwoven with regular arcs.

The only way it goes over 1400 is if the epilogue is ever bigger than I expect. And I expect OP to have a really long epilogue.

But I agree with Oda's tendency to stretch certain plot lines. He's been moving at a pretty fast pace like u said given how many plot lines are being juggled, but we'll see. I still think 400 more chapters is a stretch.

Inb4 Oda introduces Enel in chapter 1000 and foreshadows a moon arc that'll take my prediction to beyond 1500 :brootea:
My whole thing is, there is way too much setup and not enough interwoven plot:

- Bonney and Kuma being set up for "something". Oda waited 300 chapters after the timeskip to touch on this. He could have started earlier if wanted to interweave it.

- Vegapunk constantly name dropped and never actually revealed as of yet.

- SSG an entirely brand new concept as of the Reverie, which was a direct result of the Shichibukai abolition

- Caesar, Judge and now Queen all set up to have some sort of connection to Vegapunk. The former 2 are missing right now. The Numbers have connections to Punk Hazard.

- Smoker and Tashigi went with Fujitora to Vegapunk's facility, yet only Fujitora was seen during the Reverie, implying Oda is holding onto Smoker/Tashigi for some other reason, likely involving Vegapunk. Hell, they are the only 2 important Marines not seen during the reverie.

- Sabo's goal changing from starting a war with the Tenryuubito to saving Kuma, now we are at a cliffhanger.


I'm just specifying, to me this looks like an arc setup, not layering a long form plotline throughout arcs.
 
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I personally doubt that.

- Kuma
- Bonney
- Sabo and his commanders
- SSG
- Caesar
- Judge/Germa
- Smoker/Tashigi


May all be very well tied to that plotlone with Vegapunk and considering how uncharacteristic it would be for Oda to not set up this stuff before the final war would be honestly surprising.

Its not like he cares about real time economy with Wano, we are in year 3 already of the arc. Actually, we are almost halfway through year 3 already (Wano started July 2018). Don't be surprised if he spent an additional 4-5 years on Vegapunk or Elbaf or anything else thats not Laugh Tale/Final War
Oda will find a way to avoid portraying almost 2 years on the stuff surrounding these things. They aren't primarily important to the economy of the manga, except for the ancient weapons.

I expect Oda only to spend a very few chapters for most of those subjects instead.
 

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My whole thing is, there is way too much setup and not enough interwoven plot:

- Bonney and Kuma being set up for "something". Oda waited 300 chapters after the timeskip to touch on this. He could have started earlier if wanted to interweave it.

- Vegapunk constantly name dropped and never actually revealed as of yet.

- SSG an entirely brand new concept as of the Reverie.

- Caesar, Judge and now Queen all set up to have some sort of connection to Vegapunk. The former 2 are missing right now. The Numbers have connections to Punk Hazard.

- Smoker and Tashigi went with Fujitora to Vegapunk's facility, yet only Fujitora was seen during the Reverie, implying Oda is holding onto Smoker/Tashigi for some other reason, likely involving Vegapunk. Hell, they are the only 2 important Marines not seen during the reverie.

- Sabo's goal changing from starting a war with the Tenryuubito to saving Kuma, now we are at a cliffhanger.


I'm just specifying, to me this looks like an arc setup, not layering a long form plotline throughout arcs.
I see. That's an interesting take. For me, I honestly thought that all of this will be dealt with within a 250 chapter final arc or something close to that. Basically every chess piece will collide at the end. All those character would be present for the final war and Oda would go out of setup mode to resolution mode and knock out one plot line after another each chapter.

But hey, if we get a Vegapunk arc I ain't complaining. But that would really change how I see the rest of the journey.

I always thought Wano > Elbaph > Lodestar/Laugh Tale > Marejois final war > Epilogue ~350ish more chapters
 
#25
Oda will find a way to avoid portraying almost 2 years on the stuff surrounding these things. They aren't primarily important to the economy of the manga, except for the ancient weapons.

I expect Oda only to spend a very few chapters for most of those subjects instead.

Not sure why you or anyone else says this. I'm getting deja vu from the constant arguments that WCI would be "super short" or Wano being "marineford 2.0, less than 100 chapters with mostly action and very little plot".

I specifically remember people saying Kaido would fall by chapter 1000 or even before. I even remember ridiculous claims that Luffy could even be pirate king by then.

My post is Oda waited till the Reverie to start dropping big things related to Vegapunk, Kuma, Bonney and Sabo. These are not small plotlines by any means.
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I see. That's an interesting take. For me, I honestly thought that all of this will be dealt with within a 250 chapter final arc or something close to that. Basically every chess piece will collide at the end. All those character would be present for the final war and Oda would go out of setup mode to resolution mode and knock out one plot line after another each chapter.

But hey, if we get a Vegapunk arc I ain't complaining. But that would really change how I see the rest of the journey.

I always thought Wano > Elbaph > Lodestar/Laugh Tale > Marejois final war > Epilogue ~350ish more chapters
And you might be right, for sure. I just think stuff like Kuma being rescued or giving Bonney/Urogue or the Revolutionaries arc focus before throwing all of these concepts in the final war was how it was going to go.

Its like how Oda spent 80 chapters at WCI to:

- Get a road Poneglyph
- Characterize Big Mom
- Make Luffy stronger

But he could have totally written it in such a way that had us avoid WCI entirely (such has had Kid or someone stole a rubbing of the Poneglyph), and introduced Big Mom and her crew at Wano. But imagine how much bigger Wano would have been if that happened?

That's sort of my point with Vegapunk, the Revo's, SSG, Kuma, etc etc etc because if you don't do it before the final war, you make the final war that much longer by having to spend lots of time characterizing and finishing plotlines outside of the actual war.

For example, the Revo's goal is to take down the Tenryuubito right? But right now its Sabo's prerogative to save Kuma (and even Sabo might be in some predicament right now), a missing commander of their army. We have no idea why Kuma left the RA, what his relationship to Bonney was, or what his overall relationship to the plot is when it comes to the RA's defeating the Tenryuubito/CP-0. Now all of a sudden you blow up the final war plotline more because you didn't address this stuff before it, and you can just have the RAs perform their original goal.

Kind of what I'm talking about here. You can do the same obviously for a lot of other things too
 
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Nobody honestly believes Oda can pack it all in by then, we’ve followed this series for long enough to know his pace and tendency to pad things out. Hell, some would argue that we’re seeing such a move play out in advance of chapter 1000 :sadgrin:
 
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Potentially, and thats only assuming we even get to Laugh tale or skip sailing to the end of Grand Line, etc. Or even if Oda just decides to drop additional concepts we never knew before.

People should be taking Wano as a prime example. 88 chapters in and the main battles virtually haven't started yet. And Wano itself doesn't resolve the myriad of even bigger plotlines left
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Because its not by pure chapter volume. Storyline wise, we could be at 95% and still spend 200 chapters in the final war, it still could just be the most important 5% in the series.

My honest guess is the percent progress is actually a measure of Luffy's Journey, not to the ending. I.e., we are 80% to laugh tale, but then the final war is a huge swath of additional story after he becomes PK.

There are some things that do support this. Oda has called the 87 chapter span of the Paramount War (513- 600) to be a "side-plot" because it doesn't actually "progress" Luffys journey to Laugh Tale. Hes also stated in the last SBS, in a cheeky manner that "Luffy's journey" will come to an end, but did not answer the question on if the "manga will end", so take what you will from that.



Imo, I think we are still a ways away from Laugh Tale. Completing will signify 85% or 90% of Luffy's physical journey, followed by a few more arcs (Vegapunk/Elbaf/Lodestart/Whatever) before we hit 100% at Laugh Tale. In order to know what the protagonist are fighting about, they must find out everythiing virtually before the final war. It is what will make the world government or whomever else even more heinous. THEN the Final War begins.

Id say 1200-1250 we get to this point knowing Oda's pace (Wano isn't even ending until 1050+ probably and we still at the worst have Elbaf left, but have plenty of other storylines to address), then the remainder of the series is just the wars that ensue. I think we are still 6-8 years away from even seeing said war begin to involve Luffy (maybe it starts soon around the world, but not with the main characters), especially since we need downtime from Wano's own war to build back up to a climax (remember, it took 200+ chapters to build up this war with Kaido, it may take the same to build up the war with the WG).
I fully agree with this, especially the Luffy journey thing. After he becomes PK (around 1250 imo) there will be all the Final War + Epilogue, which is at least another 150 chapters if not more

5 or 4 years until Luffy becomes king that is about 200 chapters
And maybe 100 to wrap up the final war
We will be finished at 1300 :cheers:
You're hella optimistic



I'm the guy that's always laughing at "One piece will end in 5 years" headlines, but I think 1400 is pushing it. I see 350ish more chapters.

For reference I made this thread a year ago collecting the ridiculous amount of unresolved plot points, just a few have been addressed but about 50 more introduced lol
Good list of the missing points, can I post the listing on this thread?
 
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