General & Others Onigashima battle

#21
Let bet just for fun, the battle will continue after the Onigashima raid, right now their are still to much plotholes in this one who should first check out before Kaido gonna get defeated.
-Marco and the Whitebeard pirates cannot help as long as Weevil is pursue them and Weevil want to meet/attack Luffy
-Nekomamushi isn´t back right now and we don´t know what happen to him, he should be already in this country yet he isn´t their which could mean that something happen to him(Weevil).
-Navy didn´t still come for help, they have already big problems with the Shichibukai and also they probably wait for something, without the help of the Navy, their is a no way that Kaido&Big mom alliance gonna get defeated...
-Basil make a forecast that the Strawhats probably stay in Wano for one month, at least one hint
-Based on the Kabanuki japenese theater, the hereos didn´t still get their tragedy role for act3, their isn´t any comeback for the heroes if they didn´t lose something in act3.

Based on this all, it would make more sense if the raid for Onigashima fail(but suddely they get saved from someone/any group) and the war continue all over the wano country for another 2weeks. In that time, Luffy can finish off Weevil and get the Whitebeard pirates as help, other alliance member have the time to training even more.
If the raid actually fails, how the alliance is gonna run and to where while a flying dragon plus the big bitch on their tails? There is no plausible situation where this happens.
All of this wild cards will probably appear during the raid, can't see it going in another way.
 
#22
I think like some above me that the alliance will fail against Kaido and BM who are too powerful for them and that the true final battle against Kaido will happen in act 4 with stronger Straw Hats and supernovas and with new players like the marines having come to Wano in the meantime.
 
#24
Very firmly against the idea the alliance loses here.

They may be on the verge of defeat prior to reinforcements arriving and changing the tide of battle, but we're not going to have a situation where they literally are all defeated and we have to have to then set up another situation where they can fight.
That's exactly when I think, this war ends in Onigashima, no way they have the means to flee or even back up to another fight after a defeat.
 
#25
It will obviously end rly bad for the alliance since just Kaido and BM are enough to wipe out all of them,I think they will be defeated hard,most of the fodders (of the alliance) killed and the important guys sentenced to be executed on the flower capital (it's essential to make Wano's people see Momo and the scabbards so they will revolt against Orochi & Kaido) and start of Act 4 with the epic entrances to save their asses.
And we know this will (most likely) happen bc Oda is emphasizing it by saying "this is the strongest me" ,cuz srsly the end of the chapter is hype hype hype makes me want to see them beating up the bad guys so their defeat will be kinda touching.

And we still have to see who's the Lurking Legend ,imho he will play an important role in Kaido and BM's defeat.....man hope it's Shiki! That would be Rocks hype (not that they need more lol)
Kaido and big mom are not enough to beat the alliance, maybe they can win with their crew members but we should remember that oden and his scabbards gave a high diff fight to kaido, orochi and their forces. 10 against thousands.
Now they are a lot more.
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#28
Drake is an ally.

drake will team up with luffy similar to how harp teamed up with roger
I was gonna say, I don’t think we can assume that any non-Apoo Supernova is gonna remain aligned with Kaido once the Sabaody Three get there...none of them follow the Yonko out of anything but necessity, they’ve just thought he couldn't be taken down and decided it wasn’t worth laying down their lives to try. Better to wait until luck or fate is on their side, and I think the arrival of two Ds and the angriest firecracker in the OP world is the sign they were waiting for to turn on Kaido.
 

Worst

Custom title
#30
If he was the same age as big mom or a bit younger then thats fine no? I mean luffy is the youngest out of everyone in his crew except chopper.
I didn't considered this :v cuz i was thinking at some guy in his prime so around 50 at that time i mean if he was younger than Garp/Roger (they were older than BM/WB) and managed to put together guys like WB/BM/Shiki/Kaido then today he must be some kind of God xD
 
#32
Whole Wano country will assist the alliance. Kyoshirou was helping the poor all this time and has great influence over everything. Hell, Orochi would be long gone without him. Don't really think there will be a big tragedy or something like that, just the alliance getting cornered, then saved by legit every Wano samurai there is in the country.
 

Fujishiro

Cheese for everyone!
#33
I didn't considered this :v cuz i was thinking at some guy in his prime so around 50 at that time i mean if he was younger than Garp/Roger (they were older than BM/WB) and managed to put together guys like WB/BM/Shiki/Kaido then today he must be some kind of God xD
Yeah! We never know, but lets wait and see :p
 
#34
That's exactly when I think, this war ends in Onigashima, no way they have the means to flee or even back up to another fight after a defeat.
The war doesn't end on Onigashima imo.

Maybe they don't lose outright, but something will happen so that the grand finale will be on Wano itself.

It's one major point in all end battles of OP, that the opressed citizens actually SEE Luffy defeating the villain/tyrant.
It has been like that with every single main opponent so far.

The war ending on Onigashima doesn't make much sense because of this. Wano's citizens wouldn't even recognize that Kaido and Orochi were defeated.
The alliance would literally have to go to the Flower Capital the next day, telling the citizens: "Yo, might sound unrealistic and shocking right now, but we defeated Kaido and Orochi. You have to believe us! We're also good guys, you have to believe that, too!"
 
#35
The war doesn't end on Onigashima imo.

Maybe they don't lose outright, but something will happen so that the grand finale will be on Wano itself.

It's one major point in all end battles of OP, that the opressed citizens actually SEE Luffy defeating the villain/tyrant.
It has been like that with every single main opponent so far.


The war ending on Onigashima doesn't make much sense because of this. Wano's citizens wouldn't even recognize that Kaido and Orochi were defeated.
The alliance would literally have to go to the Flower Capital the next day, telling the citizens: "Yo, might sound unrealistic and shocking right now, but we defeated Kaido and Orochi. You have to believe us! We're also good guys, you have to believe that, too!"
That is one of my problems with the war ending in Onigashima too. I guess the war can continue into Wano country because Onigashima will be probably destroyed during this raid but I really can't see the alliance losing and having time to actually regroup and do another attack. Who will be keeping Kaido and Big Mom from hunting them durings that time? Unless Kaido and Big Mom starts fighting by the end of Onigashima, an all out fight between them would probably take weeks and would buy the alliance the time needed.
 
#37
At one point in the fight Kaido'll decide he's going to burn the Flower Capital to the ground, he'll fly away, and Luffy will chase after him on Momo's back so that the city can see those two being the one to defeat the dread Kaido.

I'd almost put money on that.
 

KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
#38
I'd still like for the War to transition towards the entire country of Wano. With how many figures make up this arc, Onigashima would feel pretty cramped, imo, as well as get visually repetitive quite quickly. I'd love it to feel like real warfare, with troops stationed across different sections, and characters having to strategically maneuver the landscape.

But that's looking to be unlikely. At best, Kaido in his dragon form goes towards the country and begins decimating it. Either in rage, or during a fight with Linlin/Luffy. I just feel like Wano's gonna be completely ravaged so that the citizens rebuild from scratch.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#39
At one point in the fight Kaido'll decide he's going to burn the Flower Capital to the ground, he'll fly away, and Luffy will chase after him on Momo's back so that the city can see those two being the one to defeat the dread Kaido.

I'd almost put money on that.
And when the dragons above the flower capital then the head comes clean off ! #newryuma
 
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