Chapter Discussion Opposing Factions - Two Piece in the Making - One Piece - Chapter 1057

#1
Controversy is necessary in order to keep the gears pushing in any form of long running entertainment.

And Oda in the past years Jump Festa statement expressed his excitement on drawing the final scene of Wano Country Arc.


Now what that scene exactly is up in the air and can be any readers interpretation.
But if it is indeed the Hiyori scene, I'm absolutely certain this was not done unintentionally.

There's been little bits and pieces of characterization thrown around this chapter.

Momonosuke:
- Expressed the determination to surpass Kozuki Oden - a Top Tier combatant, leader, pirate, adventurer, and Daimyo of Wano who left the country (in death) in a Whitebeard-esque manner which is remembered by the people of Wano and his greatest enemy Kaido.
- Traveled 20 years into the future escaping the full frontal view of the deterioration of Wano.
- Adventured, fought, traveled with the Strawhat Pirates across several islands of the New World (the most dangerous part of the One Piece World).


Hiyori:
- Bit her tongue forcibly and co-existed with Orochi, the Beast Pirates, and upper echelon of Wano who had betrayed, abandoned, desecrated, and spat on the Kozuki name
- Expressed grudge against the Kurozumi


The conclusions they came to are very interesting.

Momo has no explicit hatred/opinion on the Kurozumi and has a very good relationship with Kaido's daughter Yamato as well as Tama (given that her parents were Kurozumi). Hiyori (in the event that this goes deeper) holds a hatred and grudge against the Kurozumi Clan akin to the earlier attempted genocide of the Kurozumi Clan.

This sounds familiar to the Donquixote brothers. They both went through similar persecution and came out on different ends of the spectrum.

One an insane pirate holding the reigns to controlled chaos.
And the other a secret Navy Soldier seeking to right his brothers wrongs.


If any of y'all read Kingdom, one of the major characters King Ei Sei and his brother (as well as mother) are few of the major factions early on opposed to each other.

Going forwards would a hypothetical Two Piece incorporate this as the major storyline? :saitahu::odenugh:

Brother vs Sister?

Hiyori (a courtesan, princess) who has won great favor from her people and has bolstered the already prevalent sentiment on hating the Kurozumi's?
vs
Momonosuke (the Hero of Wano, Shogun, and adventure) with Pirate/Outsider ties and shogunate position?

Is One Piece capable of creating a complex structured plot like this or am I bugging the fuck out. What y'all think?

@Cutty Jewboy @Kuro Ashi @Dark_King @Kozuki Pero @Kozuki Reloaded @Krusher1357 @Shimotsuki Ghostly @etc


Thanks to Brago for letting the ideas click and @Shimotsuki Ghostly for the Kurozumi Tama link

 
#4
Is One Piece capable of creating a complex structured plot like this or am I bugging the fuck out.
You bugging

Oda’s whole intention from that Hiyori line was just to do a corny cheesy cringe ass pun that parallels Oden’s boil catchphrase

except he didnt take into account the fact they arent really the same because one is said for a single guy while the other is said for a whole clan, thus turning it into a racist remark instead

but ofc our dear GODA doesnt have the brain capacity to think that far ahead or care.

theres no complex shit here, just an author failing miserably on one of his many plot points for the sake of shoehorning forced puns, unneeded parallels, jokes and gags.
 
#5
You bugging

Oda’s whole intention from that Hiyori line was just to do a corny cheesy cringe ass pun that parallels Oden’s boil catchphrase

except he didnt take into account the fact they arent really the same because one is said for a single guy while the other is said for a whole clan, thus turning it into a racist remark instead

but ofc our dear GODA doesnt have the brain capacity to think that far ahead or care.

theres no complex shit here, just an author failing miserably on one of his many plot points for the sake of shoehorning forced puns, unneeded parallels, jokes and gags.
Yeah I agree
I might be giving Loda too much credit over here
 
#8
Controversy is necessary in order to keep the gears pushing in any form of long running entertainment.

And Oda in the past years Jump Festa statement expressed his excitement on drawing the final scene of Wano Country Arc.


Now what that scene exactly is up in the air and can be any readers interpretation.
But if it is indeed the Hiyori scene, I'm absolutely certain this was not done unintentionally.

There's been little bits and pieces of characterization thrown around this chapter.

Momonosuke:
- Expressed the determination to surpass Kozuki Oden - a Top Tier combatant, leader, pirate, adventurer, and Daimyo of Wano who left the country (in death) in a Whitebeard-esque manner which is remembered by the people of Wano and his greatest enemy Kaido.
- Traveled 20 years into the future escaping the full frontal view of the deterioration of Wano.
- Adventured, fought, traveled with the Strawhat Pirates across several islands of the New World (the most dangerous part of the One Piece World).


Hiyori:
- Bit her tongue forcibly and co-existed with Orochi, the Beast Pirates, and upper echelon of Wano who had betrayed, abandoned, desecrated, and spat on the Kozuki name
- Expressed grudge against the Kurozumi


The conclusions they came to are very interesting.

Momo has no explicit hatred/opinion on the Kurozumi and has a very good relationship with Kaido's daughter Yamato as well as Tama (given that her parents were Kurozumi). Hiyori (in the event that this goes deeper) holds a hatred and grudge against the Kurozumi Clan akin to the earlier attempted genocide of the Kurozumi Clan.

This sounds familiar to the Donquixote brothers. They both went through similar persecution and came out on different ends of the spectrum.

One an insane pirate holding the reigns to controlled chaos.
And the other a secret Navy Soldier seeking to right his brothers wrongs.


If any of y'all read Kingdom, one of the major characters King Ei Sei and his brother (as well as mother) are few of the major factions early on opposed to each other.

Going forwards would a hypothetical Two Piece incorporate this as the major storyline? :saitahu::odenugh:

Brother vs Sister?

Hiyori (a courtesan, princess) who has won great favor from her people and has bolstered the already prevalent sentiment on hating the Kurozumi's?
vs
Momonosuke (the Hero of Wano, Shogun, and adventure) with Pirate/Outsider ties and shogunate position?

Is One Piece capable of creating a complex structured plot like this or am I bugging the fuck out. What y'all think?

@Cutty Jewboy @Kuro Ashi @Dark_King @Kozuki Pero @Kozuki Reloaded @Krusher1357 @Shimotsuki Ghostly @etc


Thanks to Brago for letting the ideas click and @Shimotsuki Ghostly for the Kurozumi Tama link

Lolda and bad jokes are synonymous.
 
#10
except he didnt take into account the fact they arent really the same because one is said for a single guy while the other is said for a whole clan, thus turning it into a racist remark instead
dichotomy in language nuances and cultures....if only Japanese language and culture is as simple as English/west perceives...
 
#11
Not happening. Oda is 1000 years too early, to rival Kingdom's first arc.
Post automatically merged:

Even if miracle happens and one of Kingdom's editor replaces Oda;
Who will actually back Hiyori up, aside from probably Denjiro, Kawamatsu, and probably the red district courtesans?

While rest of the scabbards, Shinobu, Yamato, mink dukedom, Zunisha, and Grandpa Hyou will side with Momo. Hiyori's faction will get stomped.
 
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#12
Not happening. Oda is 1000 years too early, to rival Kingdom's first arc.
Post automatically merged:

Even if miracle happens and one of Kingdom's editor replaces Oda;
Who will actually back Hiyori up, aside from probably Denjiro, Kawamatsu, and probably the red district courtesans?

While rest of the scabbards, Shinobu, Yamato, mink dukedom, Zunisha, and Grandpa Hyou will side with Momo. Hiyori's faction will get stomped.
The people of the flower capital all love and respect Komurasaki and Kyoshiro. Komurasaki funeral was a big thing. They are two of the most respected people in Wano while Momo and Kin'emon disappeared for 20 years while the country suffered. The main reason why people gave credit to Momo claiming the shogun title are those two.
 
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