General & Others Out of rooftop 5 who's your least favorite?

[Malakhith]

I don't like Mid because he is treated in the manga as zoro is treated by his fans. The guy don't do anything besides stealing the credit for things that better characters did. the good part is that very few people are dumb enough to like this character.

If I pick in general it would be Zoro. Not because of the character by itself but because of 2 things: his fans and his fights.

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FEATS

• Luffy defeated an Emperor (1v1 after a progressive 15v1 including Scabbards, R5, Yamato/Momo). He Lost SEVERAL time in the process, even dying at one point.
• Kidd defeated an Emperor (clean 2v1 with Law, when Linlin was full power and undamaged). He even suffered outside interference DURING the battle and still kept the flow.

PORTRAYAL

• Got the same bounty (3,000,000,000), with the highest bounty bump of the whole serie (+2,530,000,000).
• Got several equal comparisons (Captains, Wisdom Kings).
• 2 Road Poneglyphs owner, making him a genuine competitor for the One Piece.

NARRATIVE

• Oda already made sure to make clear that Kidd already has a relevant new objective (Flame Scar Man). This throws all the "Kidd will be unrelevant after this Arc" arguments straight into the trashcan. Like they belonged anywhere else in the first place...
• Relationship with his partner, Killer, was flashed out a lot in the arc, putting solid bases for the future childhood flashback.

I could go on.
I have a couple things I wished for Kidd this Arc too, which are Ad. CoC and lifting Onigashima Giant Sword. But:

• Onigashima Sword was just a personal headcanon of mine. It didn't happen? Fuck it, we move on.
• Ad. CoC is only postponed to another arc lol, we got Awakening for now. Ad. CoC is still coming to complete the package.

Long story short, I don't understand this big drama you are making (I remember seeing you arguing in Kidd's favor in the past) when Kidd got one of the best Fan Expectations/Manga Reality ratios out of this Arc.
If you ask me who got the best and worst results of such ratio, the best easily goes to Killer while the worst goes to either Luffy or Zoro.
Kidd didn't make a 10/10 but not even a 7 or 6/10 to me, he got a solid 8,5/10.
Maybe even 9/10.

Wow, what the fuck did you smoke when reading the fight against BM?

First: BM was put in the fight as if she was in the middle of her hunger pains. She absolutely forgot 9/10 of her repertoire.
Second: both law and kid activated cheat codes. Law had infinite stamina and kid invincibility. The guy took sword attacks with his face without a scratch while almost unconscious. The writing of the fight was shit.
Third: Even with all the advantages he did nothing outside of his final attack. Even the broken arm of BM was clearly stated to be Law's doing and not his. His super gun was so shit that BM was just laughing and waiting for it to end to kick his ass.

The fight was shit. The writing was one of the worst in the raid and even with everything in his favor he was unable to even scratch BM. Law was the one that did all the job and everyone knows that he will never get so many free things again in the manga.

Kid is pathetic.

 

[Rackham]

no offence but if your calling kaido vs luffy a 1v15, Big Mom vs Kid and Law is a 1v11

Only one you can consider is Marco/Zoro/Killer who clashed with the homies, but I'm talking of connecting damage.
She didn't receive any from the SHs inside the dome (Franky's bike? c'mon ), neither from Marco at the entrance, nor from Luffy, Zoro and Killer on the rooftop.
All the damage was caused by Kidd & Law.

On the other hand, Kaido accumulated damage from every single fighter he went through.

 

[Seatonnes]

Only one you can consider is Marco/Zoro/Killer who clashed with the homies, but I'm talking of connecting damage.
She didn't receive any from the SHs inside the dome (Franky's bike? c'mon ), neither from Marco at the entrance, nor from Luffy, Zoro and Killer on the rooftop.
All the damage was caused by Kidd & Law.

On the other hand, Kaido accumulated damage from every single fighter he went through.

damage is damage

 

[Rackham]

First: BM was put in the fight as if she was in the middle of her hunger pains. She absolutely forgot 9/10 of her repertoire.
Second: both law and kid activated cheat codes. Law had infinite stamina and kid invincibility. The guy took sword attacks with his face without a scratch while almost unconscious. The writing of the fight was shit.
Third: Even with all the advantages he did nothing outside of his final attack. Even the broken arm of BM was clearly stated to be Law's doing and not his. His super gun was so shit that BM was just laughing and waiting for it to end to kick his ass.

Now characters physical stats are cheat code? lol
Shock Wille didn't cause the breaking of the arm, we saw the panel after that (before Kidd's Punk Corna Dio) and was not drawn like in the next chapter, meaning that their combined hits were responsible for the fracture.
You are forgetting Punk Crash too.

And sorry mate you're the one who smoked something nasty cause the laughing you mentioned was called out as a pathetic bluff from both Kidd & Law. Kidd then proceeded to overpower Linlin's ad. CoC defense.
This means that no, she didn't forget her beloved repertoire, she used it in the most crucial moment but couldn't save her ass.

The fight was shit. The writing was one of the worst in the raid and even with everything in his favor he was unable to even scratch BM. Law was the one that did all the job and everyone knows that he will never get so many free things again in the manga.

So Law 1v1d Linlin huh?
Then Law is much stronger than Luffy, I guess

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damage is damage

Exactly, what damage did SHs, Marco or Killer do to her?

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

@Pantheos Midd still over 50% of the votes

 

[Hanzo hattori]

Zoro. I am not a big fan of the strawhats and Luffy is slightly better than him
Law
Kid
Killer
Luffy
Zoro

 

[Malakhith]

Now characters physical stats are cheat code? lol
Shock Wille didn't cause the breaking of the arm, we saw the panel after that (before Kidd's Punk Corna Dio) and was not drawn like in the next chapter, meaning that their combined hits were responsible for the fracture.
?

First, Kid is not immune to slashing. Otherwise he would have not lost his arm. He can be cut.
Second, you should read again the panel. Big mom showed her Broken arm and stated in no simple terms that it was law's doing and even stated that he also broke her ribs. The fact that you claim that Kid broke it is just a lie.

And sorry mate you're the one who smoked something nasty cause the laughing you mentioned was called out as a pathetic bluff from both Kidd & Law. Kidd then proceeded to overpower Linlin's ad. CoC defense.
This means that no, she didn't forget her beloved repertoire, she used it in the most crucial moment but couldn't save her ass.

First, the one that actually damaged BM in that part of the fight was Law. We saw what he did and she was unable to bluff because of it.
Second, yes. She forgot 9/10 of what she could do. BM was written in a way that she forgot that she was in the middle of a battle while fighting. She forgot that she could use Adv. CoC. She forgot that she could just grab law and throw him away from her. She forgot to actually finish the oppponents. She forgot the enemy that she was fighting a minute ago. All while law and kid had infinite stamina.

So Law 1v1d Linlin huh?
Then Law is much stronger than Luffy, I guess

Yes and no. If you consider what they actually did, Law 1x1d Linlin. Maybe you can argue that he was good as a distraction for your 2x1. But even so, claiming that kid was equal to Law is a lie.
But, no, it's a strawmen to accept that a Law that fought a nerfed BM and still was unable to win the fight and had to use Nukes/lava as the same as luffy. The fact that you have to resort to such a retarded argument is pathetic. Try to do better.

 

[ZenZu]

If All bark no bite was a character: Kidd.

Still prefer him to Killer though (Kidd's got a great design and a good shit talker even if he doesn't back it up), I can't get the image of him crying and turning into Orochi's plaything out my head. It was unfortunate but it is what it is.

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

If All bark no bite was a character: Kidd.

Still prefer him to Killer though (Kidd's got a great design and a good shit talker even if he doesn't back it up), I can't get the image of him crying and turning into Orochi's plaything out my head. It was unfortunate but it is what it is.

Filler* feel like a filler character.
Why do he even exist? Most useless SN IMO

 

[Formerly Seth]

If All bark no bite was a character: Kidd.

Still prefer him to Killer though (Kidd's got a great design and a good shit talker even if he doesn't back it up), I can't get the image of him crying and turning into Orochi's plaything out my head. It was unfortunate but it is what it is.

People often mistake stupidity for bravery, and it's not only in fiction it happens irl too.

Kidd is literally that. People tried to hype Kidd up for jumping Shanks, reality was a bit different, dude had no fucking chance and his nonchalance cost him an arm.

Same for alliance vs Kaido.

Like, ambition is one thing. Don't Supernovas have some fucking sense of power? I mean, you can tell someone is out of your league.

Kidd vs Shanks and Kidd vs Kaido round 1 is basically a small dog and big dog situation.

You can often see Chichuahas barking at fucking Rotweiller.

 

[ZenZu]

I mean, you can tell someone is out of your league.

You can often see Chichuahas barking at fucking Rotweiller.

Filler* feel like a filler character.
Why do he even exist? Most useless SN IMO

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[Formerly Seth]

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At times he feels like a Saturday Morning villain with whatever he says.

He reminds me of that Monkey dude from The Powerpuff Girls

 

[Shanal]

FEATS

• Luffy defeated an Emperor (1v1 after a progressive 15v1 including Scabbards, R5, Yamato/Momo). He Lost SEVERAL time in the process, even dying at one point.
• Kidd defeated an Emperor (clean 2v1 with Law, when Linlin was full power and undamaged). He even suffered outside interference DURING the battle and still kept the flow.

PORTRAYAL

• Got the same bounty (3,000,000,000), with the highest bounty bump of the whole serie (+2,530,000,000).
• Got several equal comparisons (Captains, Wisdom Kings).
• 2 Road Poneglyphs owner, making him a genuine competitor for the One Piece.

NARRATIVE

• Oda already made sure to make clear that Kidd already has a relevant new objective (Flame Scar Man). This throws all the "Kidd will be unrelevant after this Arc" arguments straight into the trashcan. Like they belonged anywhere else in the first place...
• Relationship with his partner, Killer, was flashed out a lot in the arc, putting solid bases for the future childhood flashback.

I could go on.
I have a couple things I wished for Kidd this Arc too, which are Ad. CoC and lifting Onigashima Giant Sword. But:

• Onigashima Sword was just a personal headcanon of mine. It didn't happen? Fuck it, we move on.
• Ad. CoC is only postponed to another arc lol, we got Awakening for now. Ad. CoC is still coming to complete the package.

Long story short, I don't understand this big drama you are making (I remember seeing you arguing in Kidd's favor in the past) when Kidd got one of the best Fan Expectations/Manga Reality ratios out of this Arc.
If you ask me who got the best and worst results of such ratio, the best easily goes to Killer while the worst goes to either Luffy or Zoro.
Kidd didn't make a 10/10 but not even a 7 or 6/10 to me, he got a solid 8,5/10.
Maybe even 9/10.

An injured Luffy got up to fight against an injured Kaido and won that 1v1 with the biggest clash shown in history of OP so far.

Kidd 2v1'd BM and won in an anti climactic bomb drop, where it was specifically stated "BM doesn't look anywhere close to death" prior to hell falling down with the outside factor.

Kidd didn't progress in the slightest in regards to most hyped factor (haki/CoC) of the arc. Despite being only SN other than Luffy to get one into time-skip.

Luffy's ultimate portrayed and drawn by Oda:

Law's ultimate portrayed and drawn by Oda:

Kidd's ultimate portrayed and drawn by Oda

And yes, I'm aware Kidd's attack looked prettier in introductory panel. But it looked like trash shit afterward (panel I posted). Bajrang Gun and Puncture Wille were glorious throughout.

The only good thing that happened to him was getting 3B bounty. That's literally it lol.

You can pretend you're happy with Kidd's treatment lol. It's still fairly shit, man, and this is coming from someone who was rooting for him.

There's a reason why majority of neutral fans agree he was treated badly, and a lot of Kidd enjoyers (outside 3-4 hardcore ones) agree to that too. Not everyone has a hard on hate against the character. He literally was treated like shit in comparison to what he was introduced as lol

 

[mly90]

 

[Garp the Fist]

I did just insult Law in this thread but was reminded of his great speech when he fucked up Vergo and a mountain at the same time.

What does Kid have? Like, I really liked this pre-skip

But since then? Nada.

 

[Phoenix D. King]

ZoLo > Low > Goofy >>> Filler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Midd

 

[kurwa]

They all are pretty trash characters

• Luffy- typical dumb shonen MC you can find anywhere.
• Zoro- typical silent character whose character is only about strength and "muh honor". Again, white bread of shonen.
• Kid- had potential preTS just to be turned into a joke postTS. All bark and no bite
• Killer- His existence is only there to ass lick his captain and say how great Kid is. Has no character of his own. Typical, boring "Vice Captain" of the series who does nothing but lick his captain's ass.
• Law- panel time eater. Has no purpose in the story yet author keeps pushing him down your throat even when he does nothing. He just exists.

 

[SakazOuki]

Don’t know about you guys but Kidd is far more enjoyable to watch than Goofy

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

At times he feels like a Saturday Morning villain with whatever he says.

He reminds me of that Monkey dude from The Powerpuff Girls

Mojo Jojo > Midd

 

[MonsterKaido]

It’s a shame
He’s better than Goofy

Prime pre skip luffy early luffy is better

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ZoLo > Low > Goofy >>> Filler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Midd