[FNZ] Role Madness Overlord Mafia Game Thread

[Boquise]

The problem with town bombs (and what Boq has claimed is even stronger) is that there's no incentive for the bomb to proactively claim, so most of the time you're just punishing mafia for not being lucky enough to rolecop or rolecrush them or whatever, total crapshoot

I claimed because you asked me to and because I am in the poe. There's a reason why I didn't claim on D1. However, if I don't claim and survive today, there's a risk town kp targets me, which will result in their death.

 

[Boquise]

We don’t know the ratio.
5-6 Mafia and 1-2 Indies/3ps is usually a good estimate.

Damn that sucks

 

[Ultra]

I claimed because you asked me to and because I am in the poe. There's a reason why I didn't claim on D1. However, if I don't claim and survive today, there's a risk town kp targets me, which will result in their death.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have claimed this in this instance, I'm outlining why your claim is hard to justify as balanced for the mafia under most circumstances

 

[Boquise]

Right, but my point is that doesn't actually constitute "counterplay" for what you've claimed, specifically.

Let's say hypothetically you claimed you had a bulletproof vest. These are uncommon among town, nominally, but I think you'd have a much better case here with this argument.

Mafia being killed reflexively is just far too punishing, and the methods you're suggesting as workarounds to your role really only work if they happen to rolecop and rolecrush you before hand, totally unreasonable.

Tbh I predict you will be discussing this role in post game tbh

 

[Boquise]

I'm not saying you shouldn't have claimed this in this instance, I'm outlining why your claim is hard to justify as balanced for the mafia under most circumstances

Then that's a very bad argument for why I am a wolf or why my role can't be town.

You demand that I claim
I claim
"Why would this role out itself"
I question the legitimacy of this argument
"I'm only talking about balances and generalities and why that makes you wolf"

 

[Flower]

I'm not saying you shouldn't have claimed this in this instance, I'm outlining why your claim is hard to justify as balanced for the mafia under most circumstances

Depends on what Mafia has, too, though.

 

[Boquise]

Anyway, I don't have much else to say about my role. Either you believe it or not. If you don't, that's fine. Lynch me and move on with your lives tbh

 

[Flower]

Meh. Maybe I‘m just biased here.

 

[Flower]

Anyway, I don't have much else to say about my role. Either you believe it or not. If you don't, that's fine. Lynch me and move on with your lives tbh

Do you have a reads list?

 

[Ultra]

Then that's a very bad argument for why I am a wolf or why my role can't be town.

You demand that I claim
I claim
"Why would this role out itself"
I question the legitimacy of this argument
"I'm only talking about balances and generalities and why that makes you wolf"

You're not understanding my point, which isn't to hold it against you for outing your role, but pointing out that bombs are unbalanced because usually town has no incentive to claim it, resulting in a play dynamic that mostly just really sucks for mafia, it's not really appropriately balanced by them possessing tools outside of the faction kill

 

[Ultra]

Depends on what Mafia has, too, though.

Not really though, unless maybe the entire team is bulletproof? Demonstrably not the case given our flips, which favors it just being nonsense.

 

[Boquise]

Do you have a reads list?

I still think Michelle is town
I think Dofla made one scummy post

Aside from that, no

 

[Boquise]

You're not understanding my point, which isn't to hold it against you for outing your role, but pointing out that bombs are unbalanced because usually town has no incentive to claim it, resulting in a play dynamic that mostly just really sucks for mafia, it's not really appropriately balanced by them possessing tools outside of the faction kill

I see tbh
Well, guess you'll have a topic to discuss later tbh

 

[Ultra]

Aside from balance, from a gameplay perspective, rewarding town THAT MUCH for being shot and punishing mafia for just happening to shoot someone is really dumb, someone gets flipped and caught because of some interaction they didn't see coming and not because they were vigged/copped lmao

Besides I'm basically the town bomb, as I'm a treestump and I kill scum, so I'm counterclaiming tbh!

 

[Ultra]

Meh. Maybe I‘m just biased here.

When he was survivor on that OLF game he claimed he was lynchproof and I'm getting similar vibes

 

[Flower]

When he was survivor on that OLF game he claimed he was lynchproof and I'm getting similar vibes

Oh.

@Boquise are you an Indie?

 

[Flower]

If so just claim tbh.

 

[Boquise]

Oh.

@Boquise are you an Indie?

No I am town

 

[Boquise]

Aside from balance, from a gameplay perspective, rewarding town THAT MUCH for being shot and punishing mafia for just happening to shoot someone is really dumb, someone gets flipped and caught because of some interaction they didn't see coming and not because they were vigged/copped lmao

Besides I'm basically the town bomb, as I'm a treestump and I kill scum, so I'm counterclaiming tbh!

My claim still stands

 

[Boquise]

When he was survivor on that OLF game he claimed he was lynchproof and I'm getting similar vibes

Kinda a last resort iirc? I've been hinting about this since D2 tbh