[FNZ] Role Madness Overlord Mafia Game Thread
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You didn't reveal yourself though, that message was never supposed to be outed to the public like that. Charlie went against the rules and you got cucked over it. Unfortunate, but that's basically what happened. So acting like you would expose yourself like that is silly, you didn't know it would play like that.
I am not gonna argue with Mechanics here, that's the only way it would of got to charlie so possibly. Unless if you fat fingered your way to charlie somehow.
Here is the thing ekko, you never expected the message to get outed like that, and honestly I can see you trying to bring up that game to presuade me into recruiting and not gonna lie to you, I would of def entertained the idea. You knew where to hit, and that is a sweet spot. There is also possibly where you did not think this through, not because you are an idiot, but I can see you geniunely trying to test the waters and see if I am active or not.
Uhhh not really, I joined to actually try and catch up. I got pinged about this thing, looked at it and addressed it. Hell, the fact that you are trying to paint me as scum because someone tried or wanted to recruit me is wild. Hell, I do not believe for a second you would honestly think I am the best lynch here and not some person you geniunely scum read.
I mean, you can actually make the argument that I did a 5d chess move and sent it to Charlie, but why would I even do that? I am inactive as fuck and last thing I want is to bring all this attention to my slot and be put in the spot light? what do I even gain from this? if you flip town by some miracle, then what? I sacrificed myself to get one dude lynched? you can't possibly believe that. Like you obviously have zero townie mindset in this approach, you know you are cooked, and your best gambit here is to all in on me and get a mislynch before you get sent to the Shadow realm.
I would of entertained the bolded part actually, but the thing here mango, is that the message was never suppsoed to be outed like that, it's evident that Charlie got sent to the shadow realm and got mod killed almost instantaneously after revealing it, ekko got cucked and exposed.
There is really nothing more to it, that message is way to specific for it to be anyone other than ekko, and the fact that you saw him do it before is just icing on the cake really.
I also wanna point out that ratchet was playing that Fav game as well, and whelp while there is a small chance ratchet might of cooked something like that up. I just don't see anyone other than kekko mentioning that specific content, like you really need to make me swallow the biggest copium pill to convince me that someone not named ekko wrote that message.
There is really nothing more to it, that message is way to specific for it to be anyone other than ekko, and the fact that you saw him do it before is just icing on the cake really.
I also wanna point out that ratchet was playing that Fav game as well, and whelp while there is a small chance ratchet might of cooked something like that up. I just don't see anyone other than kekko mentioning that specific content, like you really need to make me swallow the biggest copium pill to convince me that someone not named ekko wrote that message.
there is so much wrong in this post i am genuinely overwhelmed by not knowing where to start from lol
charlie got modkilling for copy pasting the post directly from role PMs. thats breaking the rules. he wuda been fine if he paraphrased it. you've played 100s of these games i dont think you're this obtuse
if i reveal my identity in the message to anyone they'll just paraphrase it and out me to the thread, it's unironically better that charlie copied it and pasted it. now we get to see how ridiculous the message really is lol. paraphrasing it might have gave the wrong idea
in any case, strongly hinting to my scum/cult identity in a message is off-limits regardless of who i send it to. i'll be happy to talk to you if you're gonna engage in any scenario that doesn't involve me having an aneurysm
charlie got modkilling for copy pasting the post directly from role PMs. thats breaking the rules. he wuda been fine if he paraphrased it. you've played 100s of these games i dont think you're this obtuse
if i reveal my identity in the message to anyone they'll just paraphrase it and out me to the thread, it's unironically better that charlie copied it and pasted it. now we get to see how ridiculous the message really is lol. paraphrasing it might have gave the wrong idea
in any case, strongly hinting to my scum/cult identity in a message is off-limits regardless of who i send it to. i'll be happy to talk to you if you're gonna engage in any scenario that doesn't involve me having an aneurysm
The part you are missing here, is that the message was never supposed to be outed, ekko got cucked and charlie got mod killed over it. I am not sure why people think this is a frame job exactly? unless you can make an argument that ekko knew that charlie would out it, get himself mod killed, then we can explore that line of thinking.
That could very well be, but at least you can't say I did my due dilligence.
Gives you some specific names to consider, rather than just throwing out baseless allegations.
But, I'll just ask the general question of what was the intended purpose of this message, what are they hoping to accomplish?
The most obvious point is that it is clearly trying to depict Ekko being some sort of a cult.
But did the messenger really expect that this wold cause Town to wagon Ekko?
Maybe I am looking too deep into this, or perhaps I am simply overestimating the messenger's master plan, but it makes me quite hard pressed to believe that the messenger believed this would be incriminating enough to get Ekko lynched
So what's the deal with it then?
My first thought is that it is a distraction, or simply just trolling the game for the sake of trolling
It's also not implausible that the message was simply just a decoy, and the message itself may have had a secondary effect on the target (Charles), like a mark or a primer for another ability.
I think out of the ones mentioned, I think the most likely to be the messenger is between Ekko, Flower and Charles.
I could extend Soul Killer in it, but seems little less likely than Ekko attempting to pull an old classic
Gives you some specific names to consider, rather than just throwing out baseless allegations.
But, I'll just ask the general question of what was the intended purpose of this message, what are they hoping to accomplish?
The most obvious point is that it is clearly trying to depict Ekko being some sort of a cult.
But did the messenger really expect that this wold cause Town to wagon Ekko?
Maybe I am looking too deep into this, or perhaps I am simply overestimating the messenger's master plan, but it makes me quite hard pressed to believe that the messenger believed this would be incriminating enough to get Ekko lynched
So what's the deal with it then?
My first thought is that it is a distraction, or simply just trolling the game for the sake of trolling
It's also not implausible that the message was simply just a decoy, and the message itself may have had a secondary effect on the target (Charles), like a mark or a primer for another ability.
I think out of the ones mentioned, I think the most likely to be the messenger is between Ekko, Flower and Charles.
I could extend Soul Killer in it, but seems little less likely than Ekko attempting to pull an old classic
VC6 Of Day 1
VC 6 Of Day 1
SK - 3
Ali - orwelian - 3
Charlie (Reloaded) - 2
Ekko - 2
hime - 2
BOQ (RN) - 2
pero - 1
Jaguar- 1
Lanji - 1
FLOWER: Jaguark > Alexis > Reloaded > Ali > Ali > Ekko > Ekko > Worst> SK
RELOADED: Pero > Flower > unvote > Ali
ALEXIS: Pero
Boquise: Flower
MANGO: Boa > Reloaded > Reloaded > Lanji
HIME: Jaguark > Ali > Ekko > Soulkiller
HAYUMI: RN > unvote > Ali > Reloaded > Boquise
EKKO: Crying > Hime > Worst (RA) > BOQ (RN) > SK
PB: RN
Orwellian: Reloaded
MICHELLE: Crying > Worst (RA) > Worst (RA) > Reloaded
LANJI: Mango > Worst (RA) > unvote
RATCHET: Ali
CHARLIE: Ali > Worst (RA) > unvote
SK (BOA): Mango > Hime > Ekko
AM: Ali
THE ORCA: Hime
WORST (RA): Mango > unvote > Ekko
CRYING: Reloaded > Jaguar
YOHO: Ekko > Unvote
SK - 3
Ali - orwelian - 3
Charlie (Reloaded) - 2
Ekko - 2
hime - 2
BOQ (RN) - 2
pero - 1
Jaguar- 1
Lanji - 1
FLOWER: Jaguark > Alexis > Reloaded > Ali > Ali > Ekko > Ekko > Worst> SK
RELOADED: Pero > Flower > unvote > Ali
ALEXIS: Pero
Boquise: Flower
MANGO: Boa > Reloaded > Reloaded > Lanji
HIME: Jaguark > Ali > Ekko > Soulkiller
HAYUMI: RN > unvote > Ali > Reloaded > Boquise
EKKO: Crying > Hime > Worst (RA) > BOQ (RN) > SK
PB: RN
Orwellian: Reloaded
MICHELLE: Crying > Worst (RA) > Worst (RA) > Reloaded
LANJI: Mango > Worst (RA) > unvote
RATCHET: Ali
CHARLIE: Ali > Worst (RA) > unvote
SK (BOA): Mango > Hime > Ekko
AM: Ali
THE ORCA: Hime
WORST (RA): Mango > unvote > Ekko
CRYING: Reloaded > Jaguar
YOHO: Ekko > Unvote
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entirely made out of your ass
messages can be outed fine, they just have to be paraphrased. charlie died because he copy pasted it. he'd have been fine had he paraphrased it.
you think that this is some magnificent angle or something but it doesnt explain why wud i reveal/hint at my identity in the message. even if charlie can't out it like you say, he'd push me giga strongly based on the message.
nothing you say explains why i'd hint at my identity in the message, in day 1, as a cult leader, and send it to a player i think is town. if they cant out it, they'll just push me or send harmful actions my way.
this is too dumb for you to be town brother, right up your scumplay alley
messages can be outed fine, they just have to be paraphrased. charlie died because he copy pasted it. he'd have been fine had he paraphrased it.
you think that this is some magnificent angle or something but it doesnt explain why wud i reveal/hint at my identity in the message. even if charlie can't out it like you say, he'd push me giga strongly based on the message.
nothing you say explains why i'd hint at my identity in the message, in day 1, as a cult leader, and send it to a player i think is town. if they cant out it, they'll just push me or send harmful actions my way.
this is too dumb for you to be town brother, right up your scumplay alley
Damn, you make a good point. Charles did kinda change the dynamic of the situation by actually copy pasting it.
Then most of what I just speculated becomes void..
I think AM and Lanji are probably the least possible suspect, but the rest are plausible.
And funnily enough does make me think Ekko could be the mastermind of this whole mess lmao
Vote Lynch Ekko
Then most of what I just speculated becomes void..
I think AM and Lanji are probably the least possible suspect, but the rest are plausible.
And funnily enough does make me think Ekko could be the mastermind of this whole mess lmao
Vote Lynch Ekko
Even if the message didn't get outed directly, Charlie could still just claim "I have mech that suggests Ekko is the cult leader". That was probably the intended use of the message in a town!Ekko world, that Charlie would wagon Ekko off the basis of the mech, then get miselimed when Ekko flipped green and he looked scummy. That's two town players miselimed for a single message action.
The point that he was making that I agree with is that Charles were never supposed to be able to copy paste the message, so there would be more ambiguity to how the message was exactly worded, which lends to his point that there wasn't a expectation of the messenger that this would be exposed publicly to the scrutiny of the masses - hence there wasn't a great emphasis on the quality of the forgery job, but the implications of it
i mean trolling is possible, but the names/people framed by it are too calculated for it to be a mere troll
ive already looked at the possible senders. just looking at who played that game doesn't mean much mango. most of these people won't come up with something like that no offense to them. dont see charlie, michelle, alwaysmind or yotan doing it (bro charlie legit flipped town). all of them were in the game but it's not their style of play to make messages like that.
can MAYBE see flower doing it, but shes correctly voting soul so ugh. hime's voting soul too so maybe not her either
it's just soul + some hardworking and cooking scum, someone like crying who can do the homework. i suspected hime too cuz mimicking isn't something she's stranger to, and lastly worst for similar reasons to crying
you raised a point with lanji and im taking note of it. i think there is merit to it. he'd be my next in line to investigate regarding possible senders. could easily be in a team with soul too.
lastly york jokingly offered herself as the culprit and someone like hayumi does have the necessary scum range and knowledge of my play to make up smth like that, but i don't think he's scum from his other posts
that's about how im narrowing them down to soul/crying/worst and maybe hime as the highest potential culprits. kiku was jokingly too invested in proving that the message was real so maybe next in line with lanji for me.
ive already looked at the possible senders. just looking at who played that game doesn't mean much mango. most of these people won't come up with something like that no offense to them. dont see charlie, michelle, alwaysmind or yotan doing it (bro charlie legit flipped town). all of them were in the game but it's not their style of play to make messages like that.
can MAYBE see flower doing it, but shes correctly voting soul so ugh. hime's voting soul too so maybe not her either
it's just soul + some hardworking and cooking scum, someone like crying who can do the homework. i suspected hime too cuz mimicking isn't something she's stranger to, and lastly worst for similar reasons to crying
you raised a point with lanji and im taking note of it. i think there is merit to it. he'd be my next in line to investigate regarding possible senders. could easily be in a team with soul too.
lastly york jokingly offered herself as the culprit and someone like hayumi does have the necessary scum range and knowledge of my play to make up smth like that, but i don't think he's scum from his other posts
that's about how im narrowing them down to soul/crying/worst and maybe hime as the highest potential culprits. kiku was jokingly too invested in proving that the message was real so maybe next in line with lanji for me.
ekko u might want to claim if u arent the cult leader
im wondering if cultees need to consent to being culted here and ekko outted to have SK not out the message and play better so theyd be a better recruit
but also this is a lot of risk vs just culting SK later on and celebrating after it happens idk
it might also be the case that SK passively redirects actions that target him OR that again this is all a big scam to frame ekko
but SK didnt claim being able to redirect stuff
im wondering if cultees need to consent to being culted here and ekko outted to have SK not out the message and play better so theyd be a better recruit
but also this is a lot of risk vs just culting SK later on and celebrating after it happens idk
it might also be the case that SK passively redirects actions that target him OR that again this is all a big scam to frame ekko
but SK didnt claim being able to redirect stuff
no, his point was that the message forbade anyone from copying it or paraphrasing it.
charlie died because he broke a normal rule. he could have simply just paraphrased the message and outed that it came from a sender with a similar playstyle to me. it doesnt explain why i'd strongly hint my identity in the message
paraphrasing a message can be done in a way to convey it very closely to reality, and the essence of the message can be paraphrased greatly. any townie receiving this message (even any scum) would out it by paraphrasing it clearly stating and showing how the message resembled my playstyle. all of this can be done while paraphrased and doesn't explain why i'd hint my identity in the message
kinda did enough defending on this, gonna go eat
charlie died because he broke a normal rule. he could have simply just paraphrased the message and outed that it came from a sender with a similar playstyle to me. it doesnt explain why i'd strongly hint my identity in the message
paraphrasing a message can be done in a way to convey it very closely to reality, and the essence of the message can be paraphrased greatly. any townie receiving this message (even any scum) would out it by paraphrasing it clearly stating and showing how the message resembled my playstyle. all of this can be done while paraphrased and doesn't explain why i'd hint my identity in the message
kinda did enough defending on this, gonna go eat
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