Character Discussion People sleep on Burgess but he will shock you
The jobs-versus-jobs argument works for the Blackbeard Pirates because they are deliberately set up as the Straw Hat Pirates' evil counterparts and their jobs tells us more about them on a deeper level than Lafitte holding a cane like Brook.
I have a thread that catalogs the similarities between the Straw Hats and their alleged Blackbead Pirate counterparts, and it goes into more detail.
I have a thread that catalogs the similarities between the Straw Hats and their alleged Blackbead Pirate counterparts, and it goes into more detail.
I can see an argument for it, I just don’t think it’d be 100% official role v official role.
For one that’s way too predictable. Moreover it’d also be too contrived (i.e to carter to Brook & Robin for instance, BB would have to have a musician & an archaeologist on his crew, which is a stretch).
That said, hypothetically speaking even if we ignored the above & assume it’d be role v role this argument ignores Laffite’s other role as Staff Officer on BB’s crew which matches Sanji’s hypothetical role on the SH crew.
Lastly, only reasonable argument u can make for Laffite v Nami is that both are navigators whereas there are a shit ton of similarities & parallels btw Sanji & Laffite. Also Laffite is way too prominent a member on Teach’s crew for him to be Nami’s opponent.
For one that’s way too predictable. Moreover it’d also be too contrived (i.e to carter to Brook & Robin for instance, BB would have to have a musician & an archaeologist on his crew, which is a stretch).
That said, hypothetically speaking even if we ignored the above & assume it’d be role v role this argument ignores Laffite’s other role as Staff Officer on BB’s crew which matches Sanji’s hypothetical role on the SH crew.
Lastly, only reasonable argument u can make for Laffite v Nami is that both are navigators whereas there are a shit ton of similarities & parallels btw Sanji & Laffite. Also Laffite is way too prominent a member on Teach’s crew for him to be Nami’s opponent.
There are evidence Vasco Shot is an entertainer.
The Vivre Card never called Lafitte the Staff Officer. It just said he acted like one in that scene with Burgess in Baltigo.
Oda literally said Luffy, Zoro, and Nami are the triggers of One Piece and has referenced or evoked the Romance Dawn trio several times like the Monster Trio.
The Vivre Card never called Lafitte the Staff Officer. It just said he acted like one in that scene with Burgess in Baltigo.
Oda literally said Luffy, Zoro, and Nami are the triggers of One Piece and has referenced or evoked the Romance Dawn trio several times like the Monster Trio.
Entertainer =/= Musician
They are similar, not the same but even we wanna stretch that what about Robin?
Yes it did. Laffite’s Vivre card says that he acts as the crew’s staff officer & that even now he still holds that role on Teach’s fleet. Not sure why u’re exclusively attributing that to the Burgess scene.
This whole trigger ting is a misinterpretation of what Oda was saying in color walk but is whatever at this point, I’m tired of explaining it lol. Regardless, even if we asssumed u think those 3 are what u think they are what exactly does that have to do with my argument? Nami’s opponents are never as prominent as Laffite is on BBs crew.
They are similar, not the same but even we wanna stretch that what about Robin?
Yes it did. Laffite’s Vivre card says that he acts as the crew’s staff officer & that even now he still holds that role on Teach’s fleet. Not sure why u’re exclusively attributing that to the Burgess scene.
This whole trigger ting is a misinterpretation of what Oda was saying in color walk but is whatever at this point, I’m tired of explaining it lol. Regardless, even if we asssumed u think those 3 are what u think they are what exactly does that have to do with my argument? Nami’s opponents are never as prominent as Laffite is on BBs crew.
Not going to lie, I was thinking of this excerpt from your translation:
And missed this one:
I'd still lean on it being dubious since it's in the yellow portion of "Essence," the other time the Vivre Card mentions it says he behaves like one, and it's not in the profile.
I'll say we'll agree to disagree in the meantime. Either way, I don't dispute Lafitte's similarities to Sanji and Brook.
Oda has referenced the Romance Dawn trio several times. It's not to dispute the Monster Trio because Baroque Works and Enies Lobby simultaneously mirrors both.
Ms. Doublefinger was pretty damn prominent in Baroque Works.
And missed this one:
I'd still lean on it being dubious since it's in the yellow portion of "Essence," the other time the Vivre Card mentions it says he behaves like one, and it's not in the profile.
I'll say we'll agree to disagree in the meantime. Either way, I don't dispute Lafitte's similarities to Sanji and Brook.
Oda has referenced the Romance Dawn trio several times. It's not to dispute the Monster Trio because Baroque Works and Enies Lobby simultaneously mirrors both.
Ms. Doublefinger was pretty damn prominent in Baroque Works.
It's prolly not in his profile bcoz his primary role on the ship is Navigator. Might also have something to do with Oda wanting to keep Laffite somewhat inconspicuous to the OP world like he's done with Sanji to a degree. If you read Laffite's Vivre card carefully you'd notice that he himself doesn't like to stand out and the Vivre card also states that he's a man completely shrouded in mystery.
Regardless I think it's undeniable that he's the staff officer of the BB Pirates but we can agree to disagree on this ^^ and no worries.
Fair enuff.
Problem I have with folks that use the "trigger" argument is that they misconstrue its meaning to elevate those 3 above the rest of the SHs in terms of importance which is false imo and not what Oda was saying in color walk.
She's a bit of an exception bcoz of Baroque Work's partner structure (i.e. partner/support of the strongest agent) but u make a valid point nonetheless. That said, what I meant by prominent is a combination of different things like "build up", "rank", "potrayal" etc. Burgess is also one of the most prominent members of the BB Pirates to us readers bcoz of a combination of the first two tings.
*Moreover, not only is Laffite one of the very rare Flight Zoans in the series (examples of characters with these class of fruit are Marco, King, Pell etc. all of whom are above Nami's pay grade), his gallery memo further emphasizes how important a character he is as it showed Blackbeard going out of his way to recruit a character that looks exactly like him from what appeared to be WB's crew. Again this type of portrayal is well beyond that of the kinda opponents Nami is usually matched up against.
Regardless I think it's undeniable that he's the staff officer of the BB Pirates but we can agree to disagree on this ^^ and no worries.
Fair enuff.
Problem I have with folks that use the "trigger" argument is that they misconstrue its meaning to elevate those 3 above the rest of the SHs in terms of importance which is false imo and not what Oda was saying in color walk.
She's a bit of an exception bcoz of Baroque Work's partner structure (i.e. partner/support of the strongest agent) but u make a valid point nonetheless. That said, what I meant by prominent is a combination of different things like "build up", "rank", "potrayal" etc. Burgess is also one of the most prominent members of the BB Pirates to us readers bcoz of a combination of the first two tings.
*Moreover, not only is Laffite one of the very rare Flight Zoans in the series (examples of characters with these class of fruit are Marco, King, Pell etc. all of whom are above Nami's pay grade), his gallery memo further emphasizes how important a character he is as it showed Blackbeard going out of his way to recruit a character that looks exactly like him from what appeared to be WB's crew. Again this type of portrayal is well beyond that of the kinda opponents Nami is usually matched up against.
Don't really agree with you on the "Teach not trusting Shiryu enough to delegate important missions to him" bit.
You have to have attained a certain level of strength and trust to earn the No.2 spot imo. If it were simply strength-based Aokiji would be No.2
It is however possible that Teach trusts Burgess and Laffite more than Shiryu due to both having been with him for much longer.
Everything else you said is fair ^^
You have to have attained a certain level of strength and trust to earn the No.2 spot imo. If it were simply strength-based Aokiji would be No.2
It is however possible that Teach trusts Burgess and Laffite more than Shiryu due to both having been with him for much longer.
Everything else you said is fair ^^