Questions & Mysteries People who should not have coc?

Tai long

Tai long

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Which characters do you think oda should not have given coc. To me there are 2 scenarios in which someone should have coc
i- they aspire to be at the top of something (fluffy, zoro, etc)
ii- they are at the top of something (roger, mihawk,yonkos, etc)

mine are
1. Yamato- oda could have given her advcoa so her fight with kaido will still make sense power level wise
2. kidd - since oda did not flesh out his character he should not have given him coc
3.Chinjao
4.Oden- dude lacked ambition
 
Monkey D Theories

Monkey D Theories

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Tai long said:
mine are
1. Yamato- oda could have given her advcoa so her fight with kaido will still make sense power level wise
2. kidd - since oda did not flesh out his character he should not have given him coc
3.Chinjao
4.Oden- dude lacked ambition
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Oden became a daimyo and a WB commander, that took ambition. Yamato wants to be like Oden.

Kid wants to be PK, is Killer’s captain, and Oda could still expand on him being a conqueror.

Chinjao was the Ace of the old gen. He could have been a big shot but was crushed before he reached his potential.
 
TheKnightOfTheSea

TheKnightOfTheSea

𝕷𝖔𝖗𝖉 𝖔𝖋 𝕸𝖔𝖔𝖓'𝖘 𝕾𝖕𝖆𝖜𝖓
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Chinjao, Yamato and other pathetic characters like Oden having it works, but only if a bunch of other characters also have it.

actually nevermind, only Waturn deserves it
 
Crow

Crow

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Sengoku didn't show anything to be remotely qualified. Career hungry, obedient WG puppy all in all.

As much as I dislike him, Kid having it is just fine. Dude has some big balls. He simply has not the strength and intelligence to back them. Typical run of the mill canon fodder CoC user (... or since he couldn't even use it, CoC owner)
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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1. Yamato - Character whose entire arc is about denying what they want and who they are to instead be someone completely different.

2. Sengoku - Dude has zero Conqueror vibes and never really felt like he deserved to be a conqueror especially when he told Saul to not question the WGs orders.

3. Katakuri - Dude has zero ambition except to live under Big Moms thumb and his entire will to protect his family was just thrown away mid fight with Luffy for no reason.

4. Kid - Dude seems like he’s only a conqueror so that Oda can give him something that law doesn’t have just like Oda gave Law a D that kid doesn’t have.
 
Juanpiz

Juanpiz

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Crow said:
Sengoku didn't show anything to be remotely qualified. Career hungry, obedient WG puppy all in all.

As much as I dislike him, Kid having it is just fine. Dude has some big balls. He simply has not the strength and intelligence to back them. Typical run of the mill canon fodder CoC user (... or since he couldn't even use it, CoC owner)
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Tbf you can argue it is ambition to climb the ranks and be stronger
 
WorstMan

WorstMan

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Kid being mentioned is cap, guy is the walking embodiment of CoC, wants to surpass everything and backs down from no one, not Kaido, not Big Mom, not Shanks, the dude has faced 3!!! Yonkou head on. Bruh, agendas aside stfu and don't mention Kid, he lost and suddenly he's undeserving, put Doflamingo in your list of undeserving (you won't).

I hate these discussions they quickly become a popularity contest discussion.

How is a whole Fleet Admiral undeserving of CoC LOL
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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WorstMan said:
Kid being mentioned is cap, guy is the walking embodiment of CoC, wants to surpass everything and backs down from no one, not Kaido, not Big Mom, not Shanks, the dude has faced 3!!! Yonkou head on. Bruh, agendas aside stfu and don't mention Kid, he lost and suddenly he's undeserving, put Doflamingo in your list of undeserving (you won't).

I hate these discussions they quickly become a popularity contest discussion.

How is a whole Fleet Admiral undeserving of CoC LOL
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The thing is Kid having it makes it feel like characters like Krieg should also have it.

Kids issue, like Kriegs, is that his crew rolled over without a second thought. Most conquerors give significantly more inspiration to their underlings (look at the scabbards or the straw hats) even after their leader gets defeated they’d still die before disrespect their leaders dream. Kids crew gave up kids dream and started begging for his life. That’s why people are mentioning kid is because for some reason after we saw many other conquerors inspire their crew to fight after the leaders defeat, the kid crew says fuck that please don’t kill us just crush our dream.
 
Erkan12

Erkan12

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Tai long said:
Which characters do you think oda should not have given coc. To me there are 2 scenarios in which someone should have coc
i- they aspire to be at the top of something (fluffy, zoro, etc)
ii- they are at the top of something (roger, mihawk,yonkos, etc)

mine are
1. Yamato- oda could have given her advcoa so her fight with kaido will still make sense power level wise
2. kidd - since oda did not flesh out his character he should not have given him coc
3.Chinjao
4.Oden- dude lacked ambition
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CoC is strong will, and not giving up.

Yamato didn't give up on wanting to be Oden vs Kaido
Kid didn't give up on fighting vs Kaido, unlike Hawkins or Apoo.
Chinjao didn't give up on fighting vs Garp, he wanted revenge from Garp.
Oden didn't give up vs Wano's laws and still wanted to leave Wano and see the world.

People saying Dof or Teach shouldn't have make no sense as well.

Dof didn't give up despite Government was hunting him, he forced them to make business with him.
Teach didn't give up on his dream despite not finding the DF for almost 20 years, still he searched for years, and he didn't give up vs WB's laws to not kill his crewmate.

All of them showed strong wills to not give up.
 
H

HPsyche

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King's Haki is something genetic, this is something most people don't seem to have understood, and that's why this question inherently is incorrect. Genetics are formed before you're even born, so, it's not like you can just claim they shouldn't have something they inherited genetically... might as well just say this person shouldn't have been born.

It's like looking at someone's physical appearance and judging whether they should have a certain quality.
Your genetics are a lottery, not something based on behaviour or appearance.
It would be like looking at someone, and saying this person should never have been tall.. like how do you even determine that? Have to literally be god, or someone capable of manipulating genetics to make such a statement, or in this case, claim someone shouldn't have King's Haki.

Koby might not look like a douche bag, and he may not be arrogant, but that's not what determines King's Haki. It's genes. You either have it or don't, regardless of your appearance or character.

And this idea that people have to have a certain attitude equating into King's Haki is contradictory to the fact we're told you can't train to have King's Haki. You can train or rather, develop your character to be like Kid's or someone who stereotypically is arrogant and ambitious. If all it took was changing attitude to develop King's Haki, then it wouldn't make sense to say it cannot be attained through training, you'd just train/indoctrinate yourself to develop those character traits and then you'd have it.

It's a genetic lottery.
 
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