Speculations Perception vs Reality in One Piece and why its important

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#41
Here's the thing. The accomplishments of the underlings are typically always overshadowed in comparison to that of the accomplishments of the Captain. This is why the news reports are riddled with headlines like "Luffy and Law take down Doflamingo", or "Luffy invades Big Mom's territory and leave it in shambles." Therefore the perception of those characters to the rest of the World are never going to be as great. Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks, Blackbeard, Whitebeard etc.. will always have that spotlight in the newspaper.


Oda himself is the one who hyped Katakuri to this degree, through the eyes of first hand accounts from his crewmates/siblings. We are not given any reason to believe otherwise. He never once showcased any of Big Mom's children to be bias. Brulee had no qualms diverging information that Snack was defeated by Urouge, and no qualms about reporting that their "Invincible Big Brother" was defeated by Luffy. This is something that would have never reached the outside World, had Brulee never opened her mouth. Even someone like Bege who was playing the Big Mom pirates from the offset was the very first person to hype Katakuri. Revealing that he has one of the rarest abilities in the World. This was further hyped through statements made by Rayleigh, by reaffirming how rare it is.

We know for a fact that the Yonkos have been clashing with each other for years. So to assume that Katakuri has never fought anyone noteworthy is pretty shallow, as we would have to assume that everytime Katakuri went with Big Mom to fight with one of the Yonko's, they didn't bring their own commanders for some odd reason. From a narrative standpoint, that makes no sense. "Yeah, he's undefeated, but that's because he only fought scrubs." If that was the author's intent for the readers to reach that conclusion, then he would have done a much better job in highlighting that fact. His siblings would not have such a hard time believing that someone like Luffy took down Katakuri if in reality they knew their brother really only ever fought and defeated low level characters. To them it was inconceivable that Katakuri lost. That stems from a genuine and honest belief through first hand accounts that their brother is just that strong.
What ? Since when ? The yonko havent seen each other in decades.
If not for bb and luffys progress god knows how long it would be since they seen each other.
 
#43
Intro box is an important element here.
Both WB and Mihawk were introduced as such and their title is a given in the sense that it is not a ''rumor''.
Katakuri and Kaido on the other hand were ''rumoured'' to be the WSx, in the case of Kaido it is still in the air until we get a full intro box. Katakuri on the other hand is a hoax.
 
#45
Intro box is an important element here.
Both WB and Mihawk were introduced as such and their title is a given in the sense that it is not a ''rumor''.
Katakuri and Kaido on the other hand were ''rumoured'' to be the WSx, in the case of Kaido it is still in the air until we get a full intro box. Katakuri on the other hand is a hoax.
Yeah, because as the author of the story, and your favorite character being the MC, you're going to feed him a hoax. Makes a ton of sense. :cheers:

That's what I do if I was writing a story. :funky:
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Er no. Meme and kaido literally say how many decades has it been. Shanks and wb too went on as if theyve not seen each other in years.
Ok, so because since Big Mom and Kaido haven't seen each other in decades, it means none of the Yonko's have?
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#47
Yeah, because as the author of the story, and your favorite character being the MC, you're going to feed him a hoax. Makes a ton of sense. :cheers:

That's what I do if I was writing a story. :funky:
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Ok, so because since Big Mom and Kaido haven't seen each other in decades, it means none of the Yonko's have?
So who has ?
Shanks until 6 years ago wasnt a yonko
Meme until 8 years ago was popping kid's out left right and centre and all were born on totland

So where are these yonko fights ?
 
#48
So who has ?
Shanks until 6 years ago wasnt a yonko
Meme until 8 years ago was popping kid's out left right and centre and all were born on totland

So where are these yonko fights ?
So if Big Mom has been popping out kids, then who do you think was doing most of the heavy lifting when it came to going out and expanding territory?
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So Katakuri never lost a fight against YC/Yonkos/Admirals right ?
Doubt he's ever fought a Yonko or an Admiral. YC's on the other hand, yes.
 
#50
Why do you always jump away when i ask you questions just take the L and admit you were wrong. Yonkos dont fight pre luffys journey.
I didn't jump away. Learn to read. If Big Mom was pregnant and popping out kids, then who do you think was the one spearheading all these territorial clashes between Yonko's that we are literally told happen in the manga? Its ridiculous how much denial someone can be in, despite the fact that the manga itself states that Yonko's clash over territory.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#51
I didn't jump away. Learn to read. If Big Mom was pregnant and popping out kids, then who do you think was the one spearheading all these territorial clashes between Yonko's that we are literally told happen in the manga? Its ridiculous how much denial someone can be in, despite the fact that the manga itself states that Yonko's clash over territory.
Raisen could fight sheepshead over territory and it would be a yonko territorial clash.
Its in the manga that they havent seen each other in years the burden of proof is on you who is claiming otherwise. Show proof.
 
#52
I didn't jump away. Learn to read. If Big Mom was pregnant and popping out kids, then who do you think was the one spearheading all these territorial clashes between Yonko's that we are literally told happen in the manga? Its ridiculous how much denial someone can be in, despite the fact that the manga itself states that Yonko's clash over territory.
Honestly in Big Mom's case not sure being pregnant made her any less capable or slowed her down in any way :yasu:
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Especially since 85 children makes her pretty impossibly pregnant her whole life, so you can't compare it to real life lol
 
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Fallen Prince

#53
I think you guys are over thinking it, most of them have been notorious because of damage to civilians and world govt.

Bounty is not equal to strength , its more of infulence people have around the world.
 
#54
Raisen could fight sheepshead over territory and it would be a yonko territorial clash.
Its in the manga that they havent seen each other in years the burden of proof is on you who is claiming otherwise. Show proof.
He can. And Cracker could fight Queen. And Beckman could fight Jozu etc.. etc.. Are we supposed to believe these Yonko Commanders gained their infamy and bounty by sitting around on their asses and doing nothing?

I can play that game also. Prove that Katakuri never fought anyone noteworthy in his 30+ years as a Pirate. You are so confident that in 30 years, none of the Yonko's have ever fought, and Katakuri has only fought scrubs. Show me where that confidence comes from with proof.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#55
Honestly in Big Mom's case not sure being pregnant made her any less capable or slowed her down in any way :yasu:
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Especially since 85 children makes her pretty impossibly pregnant her whole life, so you can't compare it to real life lol
It was more on the point that after a certain kid there birthplaces are totland meaning she was on totland not somewhere fighting other yonko
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He can. And Cracker could fight Queen. And Beckman could fight Jozu etc.. etc.. Are we supposed to believe these Yonko Commanders gained their infamy and bounty by sitting around on their asses and doing nothing?

I can play that game also. Prove that Katakuri never fought anyone noteworthy in his 30+ years as a Pirate. You are so confident that in 30 years, none of the Yonko's have ever fought, and Katakuri has only fought scrubs. Show me where that confidence comes from with proof.
The fact that morgans didnt even seperate him from cracker and he wasnt even named in the report suggests hes nothing special outside totland.
 
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Formerly Seth

#57
So Mihawk >>>>>>>>>> Yonko because he doesn't think of one arm Shanks like a strong opponent?
JK

I have a big problem with Kaido's hype because I genuinely think that this On land on air shit is basic propaganda because no one strong actually tried.

There is this capture thing but who knows if he wasn't drunk like a fucking 70 yo dude after Liverpool winning the title after 30 years and he didn't even care what they do to him because he will wake up turn into Dragon and come back to Wano.
 
#58
The Yonkos engage in territorial clashes, not 1 v. 1 battles. Shanks and WB don't, BM and Kaido don't, WB didn't even know wtf was going on in Wano. The whole point of the Yonko system is that there is stability and balance. Big Mom has gotten fat and slobby the last 20 years.



Celestial Dragon thinks this Kaido, who is hanging over Wano like a God out of Chinese mythology, is "YC1", because he got "stronger" over the last 20 years. LMFAO.





Imagine thinking Marco or King beating/matching this dude ^, who not even Roger, Rayleigh, Garp or Whitebeard managed to leave a scar on.

I actually wonder how did Shanks manage to get enough territory to become a Yonko without fighting any of the other yonko

Is the new world really that big?
Didn't Marco say there are millions of islands or something like that? It was certainly a lot more than our world.
 
#59
I have a big problem with Kaido's hype because I genuinely think that this On land on air shit is basic propaganda because no one strong actually tried.
Yeah, but couldn't that be said for any of the known WS characters outside of Whitebeard, who is the only person confirmed to have fought someone that garnered him being worthy of his title?

The Yonkos engage in territorial clashes, not 1 v. 1 battles. Shanks and WB don't, BM and Kaido don't, WB didn't even know wtf was going on in Wano. The whole point of the Yonko system is that there is stability and balance. Big Mom has gotten fat and slobby the last 20 years.



Celestial Dragon thinks this Kaido, who is hanging over Wano like a God out of Chinese mythology, is "YC1", because he got "stronger" over the last 20 years. LMFAO.





Imagine thinking Marco or King beating/matching this dude ^, who not even Roger, Rayleigh, Garp or Whitebeard managed to leave a scar on.



Didn't Marco say there are millions of islands or something like that? It was certainly a lot more than our world.
As opposed to your implications that Moria was Top Tier back then? I'll take my assessment over yours any day of the week.

This might come as a huge shock to you, but there was a time where even Whitebeard followed someone else, and wasn't yet the World's Strongest Man. You know Shanks right? He didn't become Yonko material until 6 years ago. Blackbeard? Guess what! Just became strong enough to become a Yonko within the last two years. Crazy how people get stronger over the years isn't it? Not to mention, it's not like Sengoku himself didn't say that Big Mom and Kaido from back then are nothing like they are now. But tomatoes tomahtos right?
 
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Formerly Seth

#60
Yeah, but couldn't that be said for any of the known WS characters outside of Whitebeard, who is the only person confirmed to have fought someone that garnered him being worthy of his title?



As opposed to your implications that Moria was Top Tier back then? I'll take my assessment over yours any day of the week.
Yo! What if Big Mom debt involves making Kaido known worldwide?

Cheap af but I wanted to write something other than Big Mom leaving Kaido on of her children:goatasure:
 
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