Controversial Phinks vs Uvogin - Strongest Enhancer in the Phantom Troupe
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Can you show even a single panel of Kurapika training or being stated to have become stronger since Yorknew
The Nen ability that shaves Kurapika's lifespan when he uses it?
The Nen ability that Kurapika is saving up for the Spiders and didnt even use it fully to beat Uvogin?
Lmao why the hell should that get stronger?
The Nen ability that Kurapika is saving up for the Spiders and didnt even use it fully to beat Uvogin?
Lmao why the hell should that get stronger?
Kurapika:
- Has a broken ability
- Specifically studies and target Uvogin with a specific plan that exploits his target's way of fighting
- Spends the whole fight testing the limits of his abilities against Uvo
- Uvogin
- Gets called weak or dumb for being outplayed by HxH's version of Batman with Superman's brokeness.
I like Phinks. But I'm not sure what he could do against Uvo in a straight up fight.
Unless Phinks' ability has some weird ass hidden trick that Uvo is unaware of that hard counters him.
- Has a broken ability
- Specifically studies and target Uvogin with a specific plan that exploits his target's way of fighting
- Spends the whole fight testing the limits of his abilities against Uvo
- Uvogin
- Gets called weak or dumb for being outplayed by HxH's version of Batman with Superman's brokeness.
I like Phinks. But I'm not sure what he could do against Uvo in a straight up fight.
Unless Phinks' ability has some weird ass hidden trick that Uvo is unaware of that hard counters him.
Kurapika:
- Has a broken ability
- Specifically studies and target Uvogin with a specific plan that exploits his target's way of fighting
- Spends the whole fight testing the limits of his abilities against Uvo
- Uvogin
- Gets called weak or dumb for being outplayed by HxH's version of Batman with Superman's brokeness.
I like Phinks. But I'm not sure what he could do against Uvo in a straight up fight.
Unless Phinks' ability has some weird ass hidden trick that Uvo is unaware of that hard counters him.
- Has a broken ability
- Specifically studies and target Uvogin with a specific plan that exploits his target's way of fighting
- Spends the whole fight testing the limits of his abilities against Uvo
- Uvogin
- Gets called weak or dumb for being outplayed by HxH's version of Batman with Superman's brokeness.
I like Phinks. But I'm not sure what he could do against Uvo in a straight up fight.
Unless Phinks' ability has some weird ass hidden trick that Uvo is unaware of that hard counters him.
I've drastically changed my mind regarding Uvogin's scaling
I used to think he was legitimately ass because of how slow he is, how he got clowned by a newbie Kurapika, who might be one of the most overrated iteration of a character in the story (6 month of training, zero real combat experience and he started off weaker than Gon or Killua), and how his Big Bang Impact merely shattered Kurapika's arm
But the troupe flashback really portrayed him as the number 2 of the og troupe. Togashi's exhibition having him listed as an enhancer who reached the genius stage of his nen also means he was pretty much nearing his prime as an enhancer.
So nowadays I'm more of the opinion that Uvogin's overall level is in the same bracket as Kite,Morel,Razor, and Illumi but that just as Chrollo said he is extremely weak vs manipulators and conjurers and would lose to plenty of them who aren't on the same overall level as him (Knuckle and Shoot come to mind as they badly counter him)
As for Phinks I'd put him a tier below with most of the palace hunters and other top troupe members such as Feitan,Nobunaga,Franklin
I used to think he was legitimately ass because of how slow he is, how he got clowned by a newbie Kurapika, who might be one of the most overrated iteration of a character in the story (6 month of training, zero real combat experience and he started off weaker than Gon or Killua), and how his Big Bang Impact merely shattered Kurapika's arm
But the troupe flashback really portrayed him as the number 2 of the og troupe. Togashi's exhibition having him listed as an enhancer who reached the genius stage of his nen also means he was pretty much nearing his prime as an enhancer.
So nowadays I'm more of the opinion that Uvogin's overall level is in the same bracket as Kite,Morel,Razor, and Illumi but that just as Chrollo said he is extremely weak vs manipulators and conjurers and would lose to plenty of them who aren't on the same overall level as him (Knuckle and Shoot come to mind as they badly counter him)
As for Phinks I'd put him a tier below with most of the palace hunters and other top troupe members such as Feitan,Nobunaga,Franklin
Yorknew Kurapika isn't broken whatsoever
He has mediocre stats on Togashi's chart, only six months of training and no real nen combat experience prior to fighting Uvogin
Killua and Gon started out their nen training as stronger than Kurapika was then proceeded to train for twice as long as he did under multiple masters, one that is far more qualified than Kurapika's, going through a far superior training regiment (Greed Island being made by Ging for Gon) and actually getting real combat experience out of it
It's already extremely generous to scale Yorknew Kurapika above end of GI Gon/Killua ...
He has mediocre stats on Togashi's chart, only six months of training and no real nen combat experience prior to fighting Uvogin
Killua and Gon started out their nen training as stronger than Kurapika was then proceeded to train for twice as long as he did under multiple masters, one that is far more qualified than Kurapika's, going through a far superior training regiment (Greed Island being made by Ging for Gon) and actually getting real combat experience out of it
It's already extremely generous to scale Yorknew Kurapika above end of GI Gon/Killua ...
I do agree.
Which is why I still think he gets cooked by Knuckle and Shoot
They're both way faster than Kurapika based on feats (both were blitzing Gon and Killua who were faster than Kurapika in the Hunter Exam and got 3x as much training and infinitely more battle experience than Yorknew Kurapika) and their abilities don't rely on breaking down the opponent's defense to win.
However Uvogin's overall level as an enhancer is clearly very very high. His aura quantity, raw strength and defense are all top notch.
Which is why I still think he gets cooked by Knuckle and Shoot
They're both way faster than Kurapika based on feats (both were blitzing Gon and Killua who were faster than Kurapika in the Hunter Exam and got 3x as much training and infinitely more battle experience than Yorknew Kurapika) and their abilities don't rely on breaking down the opponent's defense to win.
However Uvogin's overall level as an enhancer is clearly very very high. His aura quantity, raw strength and defense are all top notch.
I think Uvos just slow in general. Going from 20%, to 50% to 100% ....he got no speed increase whatsoever....and had to use a smokescreen. He still got blocked. I think his ability just focuses on AP similar to Phinks. But where Phinks has to wind his arm up to get stronger....Uvo can access it immediately. However where Uvo has a cap to how much power he can access....Phinks has no cap.
Uvo's power gives him consistency and no weaknesses.
Phinks's power gives him greater attack power and oneshot potential.
Uvo's is better for a battle of attrition since he already has high durability. Whereas Phinks is better for short fights and my headcannon is that hes nearly as speedy as Feitan.
Uvo's power gives him consistency and no weaknesses.
Phinks's power gives him greater attack power and oneshot potential.
Uvo's is better for a battle of attrition since he already has high durability. Whereas Phinks is better for short fights and my headcannon is that hes nearly as speedy as Feitan.
People, you're forgetting something: nen isn't only affected by training, physical aptitudes, etc., but also by the user's feelings.
On top of that, Kurapika's "scarlet eyes mode" (not necessarily Emperor Time) might be able to also boost his base stats (not sure if at the cost of his lifespan, that can be possibly a condition for Emperor Time as a nen ability only). Look below at his feats before learning to use nen + his explanation about Emperor Time. (He didn't get exhausted or sick after using his "scarlet eyes mode" before learning nen.)
So, the Kurapika who Uvo faced (and who any of the troupe members would face) is probably a MUCH stronger version of his normal self (Emperor Time + his feelings when facing the troupe, so Yorknew Kurapika in his fight against Uvo can be stronger than the version Vincent faced in Prince Woble's living quarters).
On top of that, Kurapika's "scarlet eyes mode" (not necessarily Emperor Time) might be able to also boost his base stats (not sure if at the cost of his lifespan, that can be possibly a condition for Emperor Time as a nen ability only). Look below at his feats before learning to use nen + his explanation about Emperor Time. (He didn't get exhausted or sick after using his "scarlet eyes mode" before learning nen.)
So, the Kurapika who Uvo faced (and who any of the troupe members would face) is probably a MUCH stronger version of his normal self (Emperor Time + his feelings when facing the troupe, so Yorknew Kurapika in his fight against Uvo can be stronger than the version Vincent faced in Prince Woble's living quarters).
People, you're forgetting something: nen isn't only affected by training, physical aptitudes, etc., but also by the user's feelings.
On top of that, Kurapika's "scarlet eyes mode" (not necessarily Emperor Time) might be able to also boost his base stats (not sure if at the cost of his lifespan, that can be possibly a condition for Emperor Time as a nen ability only). Look below at his feats before learning to use nen + his explanation about Emperor Time. (He didn't get exhausted or sick after using his "scarlet eyes mode" before learning nen.)
So, the Kurapika who Uvo faced (and who any of the troupe members would face) is probably a MUCH stronger version of his normal self (Emperor Time + his feelings when facing the troupe, so Yorknew Kurapika in his fight against Uvo can be stronger than the version Vincent faced in Prince Woble's living quarters).
On top of that, Kurapika's "scarlet eyes mode" (not necessarily Emperor Time) might be able to also boost his base stats (not sure if at the cost of his lifespan, that can be possibly a condition for Emperor Time as a nen ability only). Look below at his feats before learning to use nen + his explanation about Emperor Time. (He didn't get exhausted or sick after using his "scarlet eyes mode" before learning nen.)
So, the Kurapika who Uvo faced (and who any of the troupe members would face) is probably a MUCH stronger version of his normal self (Emperor Time + his feelings when facing the troupe, so Yorknew Kurapika in his fight against Uvo can be stronger than the version Vincent faced in Prince Woble's living quarters).
Phinks is faster but his overall enhancement level is probably way lower. That Gorilla ant was mocking his non-Ripper Cyclotron punches.
His win con is to charge up Ripper Cyclotron enough to deal a decisive blow, we don't know how many turns he'd need nor if he'd be able to pull it off while fending off Uvo's assault
His win con is to charge up Ripper Cyclotron enough to deal a decisive blow, we don't know how many turns he'd need nor if he'd be able to pull it off while fending off Uvo's assault
He used KO as his initial punch and it was compared to a mosquito bite.
5-6 winds would kill the Gorrila Ant. And 15 winds incinerates the Gorrila Ant.
Uvo is very durable for a human. But even with nen protection he cant tank a kurapika punch.
I dont buy Kurapika even using KO in that punch but even if he did....I dont see his KO punch being stronger than Phinks. Its crazy but Phinks ability is crazy strong and has a very big multiplier. From a mosquito bite KO punch to a death blow with 5 winds, to disintegration with 15.
Uvo cant tank a KO punch from Phinks without blood. So technically he should also die to 5 winds from Ripper Cyclone ? Unless Uvo can make his durability stronger when he goes full throttle.
Either way Phinks is crqzy underrated and Uvo really doesnt look good even when it comes to physical scaling. He shouldve never taken damage to Kurapika's punch. Or got blitzed by him.
5-6 winds would kill the Gorrila Ant. And 15 winds incinerates the Gorrila Ant.
Uvo is very durable for a human. But even with nen protection he cant tank a kurapika punch.
I dont buy Kurapika even using KO in that punch but even if he did....I dont see his KO punch being stronger than Phinks. Its crazy but Phinks ability is crazy strong and has a very big multiplier. From a mosquito bite KO punch to a death blow with 5 winds, to disintegration with 15.
Uvo cant tank a KO punch from Phinks without blood. So technically he should also die to 5 winds from Ripper Cyclone ? Unless Uvo can make his durability stronger when he goes full throttle.
Either way Phinks is crqzy underrated and Uvo really doesnt look good even when it comes to physical scaling. He shouldve never taken damage to Kurapika's punch. Or got blitzed by him.
No wonder Uvogin is washing Phinx in this thread, I wasn't even operating based off this knowledge since I'm not caught up, last chapter I read was a few years ago. Most people used to underrate Uvogin years ago, I was thinking did people just get more perceptive overtime? This makes a lot more sense.