While it might be your right, if you want the town to trust you then you need to demonstrate some goodwill to facilitate that trust. When you lie to the town then that trust collapses. At which point, the town no longer has any obligation or incentive to work with you. The rule for co-operating with Indies is thus: if the indie claims in good faith and works with the town, they are kept alive. If the indie lies at any point they are killed because they cannot be allowed to demonstrably lie due to the opportunities for scum siding that thar affords them. Then when we factor in you killing Luka and Ekko, the only response left is removing you from the board.

There is no spite to this Flower. It's disappointing, though not surprising, to see you attempt to frame it this way. It is purely the standard everyone should be held to. I mean, even now we have consumed a town with to pander to you which could have been used to help us with the game directly. Instead it has been wasted so you can win directly with us. I am no longer advocating for your death even though I do not believe that you are strictly town because I have bigger fish to fry. In future, if you're going to play indie then you cannot be so scum sided in your actions.
I will keep this post as a lesson of how to play indy.
Are you a teacher irl?
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
That's true, tho one must take into account it would be foolish for all of scum to publicly be on the same page, because once one of them gets got then the odds the rest following that same thought process is scum as well is fairly high, distancing is probably the best and most useful scum tactic

Another person that should probably be looked into is Polar

If I remember the lore correctly he and Orca are brothers and live under the same roof, now I won't sit here and say some nonsense like just casue on is active the other one should be to but a 60 post discrepancy should be looked into especially when I believe scum polar would be more likely to coast in the scum chat unless pushed 🫸
I think there is little to support Polar and this has absolutely nothing to do with Orca's alignment. So I'm fine with that direction.
 

Lindltaylor

There's no "Tina!"
Was there even a kill on Jag, Lind?
An attempt was made, but apparently due to type disadvantage it wasn't processed. So Jag is mostly telling the truth then that he wasn't notified.

Didn't you have an innocent on Tepig?
Yupp. That's the only successful one.
Night 1 - Michelle 1.0 - failed.
- Reloaded claimed to have jailed her on Night 1 so that's likely the issue.
Day 2 - Tepig - got Innocent
- Reloaded gave me an upgrade which allowed my investigation to be used in the day only once.
Night 2 - Hayumi - Failed.
- No idea why it failed, but Hayumi told me that Naomi protected her last night so that could be the reason.
- Day 3 - Got another upgrade from Yoho
- I thought I could beg Fuji to let me upgrade my invest and use it in the day again, but he said that he can't allow that anymore.
 

Lindltaylor

There's no "Tina!"
What is the current consensus are we still on Blue? Or has someone more suspicious popped into poe
I'd actually wanna go the York direction before Blue.

Vote Lynch York
Fwiw @Flower I'm more frustrated at Cryo than I am you. Well I think your play and approach is very distasteful, but he I believe to be town yet he is not playing for the town. He is playing to support Indie interests and furthermore, I believe his unprompted full claiming was not a "boast" or some gloating, but a calculated attempt to increase his chances of being killed so he no longer has to play the game. He gets to maintain some semblance of integrity if he gets killed by Mafia while no longer having to try and solve the game, and I think he does not have a good grasp on the alive slots and is thusly paralysed by the fear of being wrong. I find this to be much worse because at least with you I can reason your play as indie motivated, but he's just being a poor teammate.

And there is no world where, if he's as strong as he says he is, he's better off claiming his role vs the mafia not knowing.
This ^

As good as it is to not worry about another slot, a Wish could have helped us massively.

I will keep this post as a lesson of how to play indy.
Are you a teacher irl?
Ratchet would have been a great teacher I suppose. Maybe he'd be too strict though, and for students who are as naughty as I was back in school, it would have been trouble.
 

Lindltaylor

There's no "Tina!"
I wish I had knew this because it makes Flower's kill worse IMO. Oh well.
I had mentioned this to the thread last day phase, but convincing anyone that Reloaded was framed, and could likely just be town, was a complete nightmare.

I suppose he is happy now about finally being proven right since he was self-voting and had given up last day.
 

Lindltaylor

There's no "Tina!"
My current PoE is this:
York
Ghostface
PB
Blue

This is of course assuming Charles told us the truth about 7 scum, and with 3 dead, leaving us with 4.

But that's roughly the order in which I think we should resolve this.
 
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