Pondering upon life and Death - BleakAsh

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"Memento Mori"
I think death is actually a good thing.Most people don't change.Society would get stagnant and lazy if we were all physically immortal.
Also:i tottally believe in immortality of the soul because i have experienced some paranormal stuff already.Once i have more free time i will try to learn so esoteric stuff to get more in touch with this side of reality.I believe this physical world is actually the irreality,this is just a test.We are here to evolve and learn.I'm not favoring any religion when i claim this.
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I have a rather naturalistic world view, I don't believe in the supernatural, but like to entertain that thought. After Death, we are probably gone, at least our consciousness. Though I like the idea of panpsychism, that the fundamental particles themselves possess something like a proto-consciousness, or something you would call spiritual, which, in its gathering, forms our consciousness. And upon death, we become part of a more collective universal consciousness. Dunno though.

As for eternal life, I'd take it. Don't understand the people that would not like to. I mean, we can potentially evolve endlessly, ending up colonizing the galaxy and explore new worlds. I doubt you would ever get bored. Just take the last 5000 years. Do you think the people living 5000 years ago would've gotten bored seeing how the world is transforming to the highly technological world we have today? We all like to read history. But with an eternal life, you would experience all of the remaining history. And in case you want to die anyways, you can still give yourself a headshot, right? (Doubt that most of the people who claim they don't want an eternal life, would actually do it once having it).
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The Russians did an experiment with monkeys that basically proves shared conciusness of living beings.Basically,they observed that when some monkeys in a isolated island learned a new trick.Others monkeys of that same kind all learned it too.In human history,we have had a lot of similar technology and ideas from different cultures that never got to meet each other.
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I only want eternal life if it's eternal youth/middle age, because living forever while continously getting older with your body becoming more and more useless sounds like shit
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Everything degrades in our world.Its not possible to have eternal life.At least not yet,even if we did.Only the rich would be immortal,we still havent figured out how to colonize space.We have a resources problem.
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@BleakAsh if you want to find out the truth about supernatural stuff,stop looking at science,philosophy and logic.Here is what you should do:go to gore sites and look for videos of accidents or homicides where ghost are actually got caught in tape.My mother has personally photographed something supernatural while watching the news last year.i don't know what it is,but it was no human being.It was just too big and had no color.just pitch black.Once i was browsing some gore site because i wanted to see live footage of homicide that happened here in Brazil.In the footage we could clearly see the boy that got stabbed to death behind the reporter(his ghost i mean,it had clothing and was basically him just translucid).very creepy.I wish the site that i saw this was still up.I would pm you.
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Also,study history of catholic miracles.Some stuff really happened that we cannot explain.Like the apparitions of our lady of fatima in portugal and all those case of miraculous healing that happened within those that were present there that day.There is more to this world than we can see.Also,search for near death experiences testimonials.
 
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BleakAsh

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NAMELESS said:
"Memento Mori"
I think death is actually a good thing.Most people don't change.Society would get stagnant and lazy if we were all physically immortal.
Also:i tottally believe in immortality of the soul because i have experienced some paranormal stuff already.Once i have more free time i will try to learn so esoteric stuff to get more in touch with this side of reality.I believe this physical world is actually the irreality,this is just a test.We are here to evolve and learn.I'm not favoring any religion when i claim this.
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immortality will lead to societal degradation worse than whatt we're facing atm

it seems pointless to whine about such trivial notions.. the world has much more pressing matters.

I dont wanna drag beliefs that i maintain but in our religion we consider this life a test and tribulations and mishaps are guaranteed what comes after this life is eternal life either in hell or heaven depending on your performance hers and DEATH GUARANTEED it is a reality we all will face and we will return to where we belong.
 
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BleakAsh said:
immortality will lead to societal degradation worse than whatt we're facing atm

it seems pointless to whine about such trivial notions.. the world has much more pressing matters.

I dont wanna drag beliefs that i maintain but in our religion we consider this life a test and tribulations and mishaps are guaranteed what comes after this life is eternal life either in hell or heaven depending on your performance hers and DEATH GUARANTEED it is a reality we all will face and we will return to where we belong.
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If i'm not mistaken you are a muslim.I believe in heaven and hell too.
 
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BleakAsh said:
yes i am a Muslim you are correct

What makes you believe i heaven and hell? just out of desire? or religious influence
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Because we all crave justice,no matter the culture.It wouldn't be fair to have the bad dudes sharing the same place as decent people.If we humans make out our own laws,the spiritual world should have its own laws too.It is only fair.
 
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Jew D. Boy

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Is the purpose of this thread to work out your fear of oblivion, or…?? I wanna join the conversation, I’m just not entirely sure what area of forever you intend to explore.
 
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Also,energy compatibility.Rich people hang out with rich people,poor people hnag out with poor people,nerdy people hang out with nerds,gay people with lgbt people,man usually hang out with other man,woman usually hang out with other woman.So whatever you are,you will attract back at you.We can observ this in our own world,bad people usually hang around other people that are also malicious and usually their life is miserable.Always looking over their shoulders to not get backstabbed.
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Is the purpose of this thread to work out your fear of oblivion, or…?? I wanna join the conversation, I’m just not entirely sure what area of forever you intend to explore.
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what do you mean by oblivion?
 
Jew D. Boy

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Also,energy compatibility.Rich people hang out with rich people,poor people hnag out with poor people,nerdy people hang out with nerds,gay people with lgbt people,man usually hang out with other man,woman usually hang out with other woman.So whatever you are,you will attract back at you.We can observ this in our own world,bad people usually hang around other people that are also malicious and usually their life is miserable.Always looking over their shoulders to not get backstabbed.
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what do you mean by oblivion?
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Another term for the afterlife, eternity, whatever comes next…
 
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Extremely poor,living in jail,sick,alone and crazy=Hell.
Rich,healthy,free,full of friends and a good romantic life=Heaven.
Heaven and Hell surely exist.At least as a metaphor.
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I believe we can develop our perception of immortality.Very religious people or people that meditate for decades usually claim to be immortal.I believe the modern man has lost its spiritual connection with infinity.Anyone here heard of eckart tolle?
 
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Jew D. Boy said:
Is the purpose of this thread to work out your fear of oblivion, or…?? I wanna join the conversation, I’m just not entirely sure what area of forever you intend to explore.
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it's not fear its based upon more like how we view death as specifically as a universal rhythm.. a transition to oblivion as you put it or meaning.. it's just a monolog

will there be happy endings or just nothingness that compliments your existential futility.. if death is where in ends then what is death worth.. to a believer whatever comes after it is God decreed ..to an atheist it's non-existence..

these ideas do converge at that point.. they are just defined differently
 
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BleakAsh said:
it's not fear its based upon more like how we view death as specifically as a universal rhythm.. a transition to oblivion as you put it or meaning.. it's just a monolog

will there be happy endings or just nothingness that compliments your existential futility.. if death is where in ends then what is death worth.. to a believer whatever comes after it is God decreed ..to an atheist it's non-existence..

these ideas do converge at that point.. they are just defined differently
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I think the notion of a magical garden where your grandparents and pets all show up to give you ice cream is comforting, but my rational brain tells me this is it…it’s interesting to think about what death is “worth” as you put it, paying the steepest price should come with some return on investment. Dying as peacefully as possible is probably the universal goal, and a quiet shuffle off this mortal coil is likely all we can do here to prepare ourselves for whatever we think happens afterward.
 
MangoSenpai

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I don't know if it is off topic or not, but in my headcannon I believe that the direction we're heading is that we are artificially creating our own universe in which we can become truly immortal.

I'm of course talking about a digital world.

I think it's probably within the realm of possibilities that a species has advanced to that stage already, and when we get there we will meet them.

The question then becomes if the digital space is dependent on our very own universe. But if it exist entirely separate, then I believe this is probably a possibility.

I know it's really out there, and maybe a reach, but the way I see it I don't thnk it's too unrealistic.

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But for now, on the topic of life and death, I always hated it. Not that I am alive, but that no matter what you do, you will have to accept that one day it will be over.
In a way, I think the concept of life while being a miracle is at the same time something I find kind of frightening.

From nothing there became something.

I think the topic of life and death goes far beyond just our perception of our own lives.
 
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I think memento mori=remember you will die is something we can all relate.People have many regrets.I'm just 26 i have have actually written a few pages(just for myself) of all the stuff that i regret doing and not doing.
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MangoSenpai said:
I don't know if it is off topic or not, but in my headcannon I believe that the direction we're heading is that we are artificially creating our own universe in which we can become truly immortal.

I'm of course talking about a digital world.

I think it's probably within the realm of possibilities that a species has advanced to that stage already, and when we get there we will meet them.

The question then becomes if the digital space is dependent on our very own universe. But if it exist entirely separate, then I believe this is probably a possibility.

I know it's really out there, and maybe a reach, but the way I see it I don't thnk it's too unrealistic.

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But for now, on the topic of life and death, I always hated it. Not that I am alive, but that no matter what you do, you will have to accept that one day it will be over.
In a way, I think the concept of life while being a miracle is at the same time something I find kind of frightening.

From nothing there became something.

I think the topic of life and death goes far beyond just our perception of our own lives.
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Dude,this is not possible.Your memory is just a collection of photos from your life that gets stored somewhere in your head.If you physically die,all the digital stuff you left behind is just a painting.Its not really you.
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If you suffer head trauma you can:lose your memory,lose your sense of self,change your personality,have many sensorial problems,physical problems,etc....I do believe we have a soul.But the brain seems to be some kind of joystick.Imagine a plane,there are pilots there making the thing fly,but if the controls get fucked up somehow.The pilot can't take that plane anywhere and eventually it will crash.I see the physical body as just a vessel.Plenty of stories from people in deep coma or that went through near death experience talking about how they saw their own bodies from the ceiling and the stuff the doctors were doing/talking about.The truth is out there,but it is only for the seekers.Not everyone wants/can handle the truth unfortunately.
 
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uyuu

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BleakAsh said:
Sometimes I ponder over the dualities of life, like how existence is so convenient but existing isn't.. or how similarly individuality is an asset to oneself but sustaining it is eyesore to others, the basic stuff, and generally we embody this duality as humans and it teaches us that nothing remains absolute.. or guaranteed , conveniences entail inconveniences.. just like existence is convenient.. peace too is convenient.. any good that exists is convenient but
like Madara Uchiha once said :
"Where there is light, There are shadows to be found as well"

you know whats profound about this duality is that the only thing that puts an end to it... is Death, death of anything that the duality applies to, in essence its an all-encompassing theme , which is the only phenomenon that is absolute and guaranteed , when you stop existing... the duality stops applying. death is indeed absolute and an end to existence

death is where we all become equal...but the superiority lies in what state or condition we die in
“Verily, deeds are only judged by their endings.” - Prophet (S. A. W)
this saying applies to life too unironically


But like me, if you believe in a greatest omnipotent being and believe in afterlife.. then death still remains immune to the duality...but it embodies only one of its aspects.. either conveniences of death blessing you with heaven or the inconvenience of death dooming you to hell.
it's either you attain light or you attain darkness.


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"Death takes away to purpose of this life.
God is what gives purpose to death.
if Death leads to an Abyss of non-existence then God is non-existence, since indeed every life should taste Death and so shall it return to its owner... call it non-existence... or call it God... death comes all the same.. ".
-BleakAsh

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*a philosophical discussion not a scientific one yaall! even tho i delved into it a bit too much the topic was supposed to complement the philosophical aspect of the core subject *
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Maybe its got something to do with our faith? Whether our death is the end or is there an afterlife or instead reincarnation?

If there's no scientific evidence to know which is the road death will take us to, how do we single it out? It surely will affect our way of life...or even what to do with our religion or smth
 
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Anyone here heard of eckart tolle?
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who dat?


and yea i understand what you said regarding Justice and the requirement for separation. What do you think of spiritual realm how do you define it?
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I think the notion of a magical garden where your grandparents and pets all show up to give you ice cream is comforting, but my rational brain tells me this is it…it’s interesting to think about what death is “worth” as you put it, paying the steepest price should come with some return on investment. Dying as peacefully as possible is probably the universal goal, and a quiet shuffle off this mortal coil is likely all we can do here to prepare ourselves for whatever we think happens afterward.
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I think also depends on what you yearn from your end ...like logically if there is a 50% chance of there being that garden then put your bets there
than bet on something you wouldn't exist to witness. And it isn't that convenient...if there is that garden then there was a purpose to you in this life...which can finally put worth to death as a transition to that garden. If its about what you beget from what you sow that follows death then what is right thing to sow... so that death isn't the regret you live up to it until its manifestation and after it
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Maybe its got something to do with our faith? Whether our death is the end or is there an afterlife or instead reincarnation?

If there's no scientific evidence to know which is the road death will take us to, how do we single it out? It surely will affect our way of life...or even what to do with our religion or smth
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if death is a mechanism put in place then there must be its initiator as well

honestly its hard to believe that humans just uped and formed religion and convinced themselves that something unobservable empirically exists that rules over them as higher authority

Which begs the question.. in the billions of years of evolution why has the universe evolved us beings that are so existentially insecure and associate their existence to something other than the universe itself.
 
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who dat?


and yea i understand what you said regarding Justice and the requirement for separation. What do you think of spiritual realm how do you define it?
I think also depends on what you yearn from your end ...like logically if there is a 50% chance of there being that garden then put your bets there
than bet on something you wouldn't exist to witness. And it isn't that convenient...if there is that garden then there was a purpose to you in this life...which can finally put worth to death as a transition to that garden. If its about what you beget from what you sow that follows death then what is right thing to sow... so that death isn't the regret you live up to it until its manifestation and after it
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if death is a mechanism put in place then there must be its initiator as well

honestly its hard to believe that humans just uped and formed religion and convinced themselves that something unobservable empirically exists that rules over them as higher authority

Which begs the question.. in the billions of years of evolution why has the universe evolved us beings that are so existentially insecure and associate their existence to something other than the universe itself.
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Spiritual realm=infinity.The place where pure consciousness lies.
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One more thing,every culture had a form of religion at some point.So humans naturally crave something beyond this mortal life.Atheism seems to be some kind of disorder(either mental or spiritual).I was an atheist for 10 years roughly(13-23),my outlook on life was very nihilistic back then.Because if there is no finish line,why play the game?Faith has given me more motivation to live.
 
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