Versus Battle Post Rose Meruem vs Charlotte Katakuri
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Judging by vsbattle profils, Katakuri is far faster and also one-two league above Meruem in Ap.
I look over OBD profils too:
Katakuri:
Name: Charlotte Katakuri, Katakuri, epithet ''Dogtooth''
Origin: One Piece
Gender: Male
Classification: Human, Member of the Big Mom Pirates, Minister of Flour, One of the Three Sweet Commanders, Paramecia Devil Fruit User
Age: 48
Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, durability, agility, endurance, skilled hand-to-hand fighter, skilled with the trident, expert Haki user (Busoshoku, Haoshoku and Kenbunshoku), battle - precognition (via Kenbunshoku Haki), can surround his body with an invisible armor to augment his defensive and offensive capabilities (he can also imbue physical objects, such as his trident with BusĹŤshoku Haki), can harm and affect characters with elemental mimicry, can dominate the will of others (Haoshoku Haki allows him to knock those with inadequate wills unconscious), ate the Mochi Mochi no Mi, a special paramecia Devil Fruit that allows the user to create, control and transform into mochi, can stretch and enlarge his mochi to make large fists similar to Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Mi abilities, can shoot off and ignite mochi at rapid speeds that create explosions, can turn inorganic objects into mochi, regeneration (low-mid)
Weaknesses: Cannot swim and becomes immobilized if more than half of his body is covered in water, his mochi while supernatural in nature is still mochi and can be eaten
Destructive Capacity: Island level+ (is Big Mom's strongest pirate, he was capable of hitting Luffy well beyond his durability limits including G4 Luffy), likely far higher (should be in the same league as other top-level Yonkou commanders like Marco and Jozu)
Range: Extended melee range with his trident, at least a dozen meters with jelly beans, several hundred meters with the Mochi Mochi no Mi
Speed: Massively hypersonic+ (comparable to Luffy and much faster than Law), pre-cog further supplements his reactions
Durability: Island level+ (took numerous and many more attacks from Luffy in all of his forms), likely far higher, regeneration and the ability to change his body to mochi makes him hard to permanently damage/kill
Lifting Strength: At least Class G+, likely Class T
Striking Strength: Class EJ+ (a physical match for Luffy in all of his forms)
Stamina: Vastly superhuman+ (fought Luffy to near death and even severely injured himself to be at an even level with him)
Standard Equipment: His trident named Mogura, jelly beans
Intelligence: Very skilled fighter (is Big Mom's best fighter), fairly observant (quick to analyze a dangerous situation and his Kenbunshoku Haki further adds to his already excellent foresight)
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
Meruem:
Name: Meruem, sometimes translated as Meryem, also known as ''King'' (king of ants)
Origin: Hunter X Hunter
Gender: Male
Classification: Chimera Ant, King of Ants, Nen User
Age: Unknown
Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, durability, endurance, agility, stamina, dexterity, can the of others and gain their abilities by devouring them, expert hand to hand combatant, can multiply his body parts (like his hands or his tail), the ability to use Nen, can use his Nen for various other offensive and defensive purposes (see Notable Attacks/Techniques for more information) | Can fly (via growing himself wings with shapeshifting), can use "Rage" to fire energy blasts, with his En activated he can read the emotions of people either by touching them or by looking into their eyes
Weaknesses: Is torn apart between his "ant" and "human" side as a result of his relationship towards Komugi, although this no longer seems to be the case
Destructive Capacity: Small city level+ (could tear his own arm off) | City level (vaporized a hill with a Rage Blast, upon sensing his aura, Knuckle stated that an entire nation's army would be needed in order to take him down, The Rose is a hilariously common piece of military technology)
Range: Average human melee range, several hundred meters with projectiles
Speed: Massively hypersonic (could perceive, albeit barely, Netero's attacks) | At least massively hypersonic (became much faster after absorbing his Royal Guards) possibly light-speed (he may or may not be as fast as his En) light-speed with his En (is composed of photons)
Durability: Small city level+ (survived Netero's rose bomb) | City level (after absorbing the power of his Royal Guards, his overall power was significantly boosted)
Lifting Strength: Class 50+ | At least Class 50+
Striking Strength: Class PJ | Class PJ+
Stamina: Extremely large, Meruem can fight for a long time without showing signs of exhaustion
Standard Equipment: Nothing notable
Intelligence: Highly skilled fighter, genius - he was able to beat several champions from a certain game type shortly after learning about the game itself from books
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
In OBD the result is the same, Katakuri Ap/Dura and other states are leagues above Meruem, only speed is the issue here but again even this isn´t clear because the same site also write this for Luffy:
Which means Katakuri himself scales to at least relativistic with lightspeed reactions too.
Overall judging by OBD the speed are the same, which means Meruem lose his only advantage who is his speed.
While Katakuri having a far higher Ap and beeing able to one shot Meruem, he also has a insane hax ability with Future sight which make it for him even less harder.
I look over OBD profils too:
Katakuri:
Name: Charlotte Katakuri, Katakuri, epithet ''Dogtooth''
Origin: One Piece
Gender: Male
Classification: Human, Member of the Big Mom Pirates, Minister of Flour, One of the Three Sweet Commanders, Paramecia Devil Fruit User
Age: 48
Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, durability, agility, endurance, skilled hand-to-hand fighter, skilled with the trident, expert Haki user (Busoshoku, Haoshoku and Kenbunshoku), battle - precognition (via Kenbunshoku Haki), can surround his body with an invisible armor to augment his defensive and offensive capabilities (he can also imbue physical objects, such as his trident with BusĹŤshoku Haki), can harm and affect characters with elemental mimicry, can dominate the will of others (Haoshoku Haki allows him to knock those with inadequate wills unconscious), ate the Mochi Mochi no Mi, a special paramecia Devil Fruit that allows the user to create, control and transform into mochi, can stretch and enlarge his mochi to make large fists similar to Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Mi abilities, can shoot off and ignite mochi at rapid speeds that create explosions, can turn inorganic objects into mochi, regeneration (low-mid)
Weaknesses: Cannot swim and becomes immobilized if more than half of his body is covered in water, his mochi while supernatural in nature is still mochi and can be eaten
Destructive Capacity: Island level+ (is Big Mom's strongest pirate, he was capable of hitting Luffy well beyond his durability limits including G4 Luffy), likely far higher (should be in the same league as other top-level Yonkou commanders like Marco and Jozu)
Range: Extended melee range with his trident, at least a dozen meters with jelly beans, several hundred meters with the Mochi Mochi no Mi
Speed: Massively hypersonic+ (comparable to Luffy and much faster than Law), pre-cog further supplements his reactions
Durability: Island level+ (took numerous and many more attacks from Luffy in all of his forms), likely far higher, regeneration and the ability to change his body to mochi makes him hard to permanently damage/kill
Lifting Strength: At least Class G+, likely Class T
Striking Strength: Class EJ+ (a physical match for Luffy in all of his forms)
Stamina: Vastly superhuman+ (fought Luffy to near death and even severely injured himself to be at an even level with him)
Standard Equipment: His trident named Mogura, jelly beans
Intelligence: Very skilled fighter (is Big Mom's best fighter), fairly observant (quick to analyze a dangerous situation and his Kenbunshoku Haki further adds to his already excellent foresight)
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
Name: Meruem, sometimes translated as Meryem, also known as ''King'' (king of ants)
Origin: Hunter X Hunter
Gender: Male
Classification: Chimera Ant, King of Ants, Nen User
Age: Unknown
Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, durability, endurance, agility, stamina, dexterity, can the of others and gain their abilities by devouring them, expert hand to hand combatant, can multiply his body parts (like his hands or his tail), the ability to use Nen, can use his Nen for various other offensive and defensive purposes (see Notable Attacks/Techniques for more information) | Can fly (via growing himself wings with shapeshifting), can use "Rage" to fire energy blasts, with his En activated he can read the emotions of people either by touching them or by looking into their eyes
Weaknesses: Is torn apart between his "ant" and "human" side as a result of his relationship towards Komugi, although this no longer seems to be the case
Destructive Capacity: Small city level+ (could tear his own arm off) | City level (vaporized a hill with a Rage Blast, upon sensing his aura, Knuckle stated that an entire nation's army would be needed in order to take him down, The Rose is a hilariously common piece of military technology)
Range: Average human melee range, several hundred meters with projectiles
Speed: Massively hypersonic (could perceive, albeit barely, Netero's attacks) | At least massively hypersonic (became much faster after absorbing his Royal Guards) possibly light-speed (he may or may not be as fast as his En) light-speed with his En (is composed of photons)
Durability: Small city level+ (survived Netero's rose bomb) | City level (after absorbing the power of his Royal Guards, his overall power was significantly boosted)
Lifting Strength: Class 50+ | At least Class 50+
Striking Strength: Class PJ | Class PJ+
Stamina: Extremely large, Meruem can fight for a long time without showing signs of exhaustion
Standard Equipment: Nothing notable
Intelligence: Highly skilled fighter, genius - he was able to beat several champions from a certain game type shortly after learning about the game itself from books
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
Which means Katakuri himself scales to at least relativistic with lightspeed reactions too.
Overall judging by OBD the speed are the same, which means Meruem lose his only advantage who is his speed.
While Katakuri having a far higher Ap and beeing able to one shot Meruem, he also has a insane hax ability with Future sight which make it for him even less harder.
Deadpool beat Zeno by killing the mangaka :)
fodders were able to give whitebeard near 500 scars
now
MF beard was at least 100,000 time stronger than a normal marine
but the power is not enough and that's why he got 500 scars from people far far far far weaker than him
so even if you go ahead and claim : full power Meruem is a high tier ....
he still have enough raw power and enough durability and enough deadly power and enough speed and enough skill
to destroy his enemies ....
in a matter of 10 min he was able to do more than a 1000 attacks form all possible direction and that was pre rose
how can even whitebeard stop this fight?
and
Meruem would read Prime Beard fight style and would never let himself being hit ... and Prime Beard surly can't out skill him and trap him in to a hidden attack
so
honestly ... this is the fight
- Meruem get many attacks (not deadly one) to study Prime beard
- Meruem find out his enemy weakness
- Meruem tear him apart
maybe Kaido and Big mom can beat him simply cause Meruem don't have enough power to hurt them ... and that's not even a real argument
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fodders were able to give whitebeard near 500 scars
now
MF beard was at least 100,000 time stronger than a normal marine
but the power is not enough and that's why he got 500 scars from people far far far far weaker than him
so even if you go ahead and claim : full power Meruem is a high tier ....
he still have enough raw power and enough durability and enough deadly power and enough speed and enough skill
to destroy his enemies ....
in a matter of 10 min he was able to do more than a 1000 attacks form all possible direction and that was pre rose
how can even whitebeard stop this fight?
and
Meruem would read Prime Beard fight style and would never let himself being hit ... and Prime Beard surly can't out skill him and trap him in to a hidden attack
so
honestly ... this is the fight
- Meruem get many attacks (not deadly one) to study Prime beard
- Meruem find out his enemy weakness
- Meruem tear him apart
maybe Kaido and Big mom can beat him simply cause Meruem don't have enough power to hurt them ... and that's not even a real argument
It is for the sake of plot for moving forwards; there are more consistent MHS+ feats than subsonic/speed of sonic feats from the mid/high tiers.
Does not matter; a strawman argument.
Katakuri scales to stuff like that.
Once again, irrelevant.
Read this again, I explained you how to debate crossover battles properly:
For fucks sake guys...
Who the fuck cares about inverse rules? Meruem is extremely skilled and can adapt very fast? His potential is ridiculously high and he is the best in HxH? Nobody cares! Nobody cares how powerful or hyped Meruem is on his verse - we are comparing different verses in which inverse logic does not matter. It does not matter how much potential Meruem has or whether he showed everything or not! We simply compare Meruem's best feats with Katakuri's/Cracker's/Doflamingo's/Boros' and so on.
You can apply the crossover battledome logic on jrpgs:
Your characters are level 30 and you can still grow very fast due to extraordinary levelling? You could already beat level 35 monsters? Well, that's fine - but you still get washed by level 90 monsters because of the sheer difference between you and that monster. You can hit that monster if you are fast enough (as a reference of Meruem's speed compared to Kata) but you simply won't deal jack shit against that thing because you are that weak.
There is a certain ballpark; you can defeat stronger foes as long as you are on that certain ballpark. However, monsters dwarfing your own ballpark, you do not have any chances.
However, with the right skillset, you could defeat 99 level monsters with your 30 level as long as these skills make it possible for you.
Now let's apply the jrpgs on crossover battles:
Meruem has city level AP/DC (level 20) and he has to fight against Katakuri who has small island level AP/DC (level 55). Even if Meruem's speed is comparable to Katakuri's, his strength isn't - and that's the problem. Kata is simply in another ballpark which makes him too powerful against Meruem.
But I said, with certain skills even level 30 characters could defeat a 99 level monster, right? Let's apply this here as well: Even street level fighters could defeat a continental buster if they have hax which fucks them up regardless of their respective level, unless that continental buster is resistent on that hax.
What does Meruem have? Is he extremely haxed in which he would kill Kata anyways? No. And that's why he gets washed by him.
Btw, Saitama not showing everything in which we could see he may be stronger than character x is the same shit - and thus, Saitama > all manga verses is utter nonsense as well.
Does not matter; a strawman argument.
Katakuri scales to stuff like that.
Once again, irrelevant.
Read this again, I explained you how to debate crossover battles properly:
For fucks sake guys...
Who the fuck cares about inverse rules? Meruem is extremely skilled and can adapt very fast? His potential is ridiculously high and he is the best in HxH? Nobody cares! Nobody cares how powerful or hyped Meruem is on his verse - we are comparing different verses in which inverse logic does not matter. It does not matter how much potential Meruem has or whether he showed everything or not! We simply compare Meruem's best feats with Katakuri's/Cracker's/Doflamingo's/Boros' and so on.
You can apply the crossover battledome logic on jrpgs:
Your characters are level 30 and you can still grow very fast due to extraordinary levelling? You could already beat level 35 monsters? Well, that's fine - but you still get washed by level 90 monsters because of the sheer difference between you and that monster. You can hit that monster if you are fast enough (as a reference of Meruem's speed compared to Kata) but you simply won't deal jack shit against that thing because you are that weak.
There is a certain ballpark; you can defeat stronger foes as long as you are on that certain ballpark. However, monsters dwarfing your own ballpark, you do not have any chances.
However, with the right skillset, you could defeat 99 level monsters with your 30 level as long as these skills make it possible for you.
Now let's apply the jrpgs on crossover battles:
Meruem has city level AP/DC (level 20) and he has to fight against Katakuri who has small island level AP/DC (level 55). Even if Meruem's speed is comparable to Katakuri's, his strength isn't - and that's the problem. Kata is simply in another ballpark which makes him too powerful against Meruem.
But I said, with certain skills even level 30 characters could defeat a 99 level monster, right? Let's apply this here as well: Even street level fighters could defeat a continental buster if they have hax which fucks them up regardless of their respective level, unless that continental buster is resistent on that hax.
What does Meruem have? Is he extremely haxed in which he would kill Kata anyways? No. And that's why he gets washed by him.
Btw, Saitama not showing everything in which we could see he may be stronger than character x is the same shit - and thus, Saitama > all manga verses is utter nonsense as well.
Either VSBattle, nor OBD are really accurate and shouldn´t be used as 100% face value. Either they use stats from fancalcs and nonsensical scaling, or the profiles aren´t up to date.
Lightspeed statements exist more in fiction, then lightspeed feats, so we have to see the context in those situations to argue for, or against the consistence. You will find anti-feats in every manga, or other contradictions that allowed to disagree with that. However, let´s say Meruem is that fast, how can he hurt Katakuri?
Also Katakuri can be argued as fast enough to react someone on that speed. Simple scaling from Luffy who dodge light attacks. Katakuri also has the Pre-Cognition advantage. Give Meruem the speed advantage, Katakuri outskilled him in power, which means one attack can be enough to knock Meruem out. In the opposite, Meruem his attacks are probably not effective enough to hit Katakuri that heavy, that he get knocked out or died.
If someone comes to the conclusion that they can´t hit eachother (Meruem too fast, Katakuri to high physics), the decision of the match depends on the stamina of both.
Lightspeed statements exist more in fiction, then lightspeed feats, so we have to see the context in those situations to argue for, or against the consistence. You will find anti-feats in every manga, or other contradictions that allowed to disagree with that. However, let´s say Meruem is that fast, how can he hurt Katakuri?
Also Katakuri can be argued as fast enough to react someone on that speed. Simple scaling from Luffy who dodge light attacks. Katakuri also has the Pre-Cognition advantage. Give Meruem the speed advantage, Katakuri outskilled him in power, which means one attack can be enough to knock Meruem out. In the opposite, Meruem his attacks are probably not effective enough to hit Katakuri that heavy, that he get knocked out or died.
If someone comes to the conclusion that they can´t hit eachother (Meruem too fast, Katakuri to high physics), the decision of the match depends on the stamina of both.
Katakuri's durabiliy....island lvl ?
Yh this bullshit. He took around 10 hits from Luffy and went down. How tf he island lvl...pure bs.
Yh this bullshit. He took around 10 hits from Luffy and went down. How tf he island lvl...pure bs.
.Like why do yall take these things seriously lma
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He cant. But Katakuri is probably 1000 times weaker.
No matter what hatsu, it doesnt matter. His sheer quantity of aura allows him to win against anything. Scream wouldnt work.
And anyways he can reform himself since hs Youpi and Pouf's powers.
You can make an argument that his Ren would intimidate Chrollo into not acting because thats simply what is implied in that panel. He had gotten so much aura that his sheer Ren would cause any opponent to shit their pants.
As far as abilities goes, his aura isn't stopping any ability that has had its conditions fulfilled. And it's unlikely he can even reform himself because Scream isn't decapitating him in a conventional manner.
Scream is taking off his head or whatever by teleporting it to somewhere else. i can list other abilities as well that will 1 shot him the moment the conditions are fulfilled.
Yes, Mereum's sheer aura is able to make Chrollo shit his pants to the point he cant use his hatsu. Now if you believe Chrollo's hatsu can match up to Katakuri. Then you should be able to see that Mereum would easilu make Katakuri shit his pants to. His Ren would overpower him and make him age.
Pouf's powers allow him to make his full body by with only 1/7 of his actual body. Meruem would grow weaker but he would reform himself. And this is only in the instance his Ren doesnt intimidate him
Pouf's powers allow him to make his full body by with only 1/7 of his actual body. Meruem would grow weaker but he would reform himself. And this is only in the instance his Ren doesnt intimidate him
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A lot of people have a big power scaling problem after watching One Punch Man and One Piece.
One Piece and One Punch man are comedies.
Katakuri low diffs Mereum? This is Comedy if you ask me.
Katakuri's durability and reaction time won't be enough for Adult Gon let alone Post Rose Mereum not to talk about his strength feats.
10 Attacks from Luffy and he was breathing heavily.
Wake up!
ps. Waiting for people to bring up my Boros comment come at me with all your might!
One Piece and One Punch man are comedies.
Katakuri low diffs Mereum? This is Comedy if you ask me.
Katakuri's durability and reaction time won't be enough for Adult Gon let alone Post Rose Mereum not to talk about his strength feats.
10 Attacks from Luffy and he was breathing heavily.
Wake up!
ps. Waiting for people to bring up my Boros comment come at me with all your might!